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    Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    The surly Scouser must've not reached the expectation of the people around those parts either.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    The sacking probably has a lot to do with that moron Jeff Stellings rant

    Pool have been in freefall for a long time now, and were lucky not to disappear out of the league last season

    If DJ ever comes across Stelling I hope he tears him a new arsehole!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfur Europe View Post
    The surly Scouser must've not reached the expectation of the people around those parts either.
    Pressure's on Norwich...

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    stelling the media darling is an old senile joke

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    Stelling wins then. He put the owners in an impossible situation. I'm sure that, with the quality of players on their books, they will stay up easily now the only problem at the club has gone away.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Dave Jones said "Get rid of me? They've got rid of Higgy, Ronnie Moore and everyone else before that. There's a common denominator here, you figure it out".

    Www.pooliebunker.co.uk forum seems to support him with this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfur Europe View Post
    The surly Scouser must've not reached the expectation of the people around those parts either.
    Desperation time for Hartlepool. They'd averaged 1.04 points a game before he went there, but 0.89 points a game after his appointment.

    How much of that is down to Jones is debatable. Since their relegation from League 1 in 2012-13, they've finished 19th, 22nd and 16th in the bottom tier, so the relegation threat to the National League has been real for some time. It appears that Jones has had the thankless task of being in charge of a sinking ship, though it also has to be said that his appointment hasn't given the club a "bounce" sometimes associated with a new manager.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Desperation time for Hartlepool. They'd averaged 1.04 points a game before he went there, but 0.89 points a game after his appointment.

    How much of that is down to Jones is debatable. Since their relegation from League 1 in 2012-13, they've finished 19th, 22nd and 16th in the bottom tier, so the relegation threat to the National League has been real for some time. It appears that Jones has had the thankless task of being in charge of a sinking ship, though it also has to be said that his appointment hasn't given the club a "bounce" sometimes associated with a new manager.
    Stats tell 20% of a story. I say 20% to highlight how arbitrary stats are. Stats are often skewed, you're a culprit quite often.

    Hartlepool sold 3 first team players in January and loaned out a few. Who decides that? At that level, it's finances, so most likely it's the owners. The manager is left with a threadbare squad, they go unbeaten for a few games, then the dead cat stops bouncing.

    They won 3 in 4 in a 2 week period. What happens after that? Does Jones change the team radically? Do the players lose confidence with every bad result.

    It's not as simple as 13 points out of 51. There are so many other factors involved that, using statistics alone, would be the dumbest thing anyone can do in making decisions like this.

    Jones v populist TV presenter. Only one winner, and Stelling is now as responsible as anyone of Hartlepool drop.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Stelling wins then. He put the owners in an impossible situation. I'm sure that, with the quality of players on their books, they will stay up easily now the only problem at the club has gone away.
    I think the hope is for someone else (probably the assistant manager or someone else within the club) to fire the players up for one last effort. 2 points from the last 21 is relegation form, their worst form for over 2 years. The club must be thinking that they are certain to go down with Jones in charge and, while giving someone else a go might not keep them up, they have nothing to lose by trying something different.

    Will sacking him make any difference? Probably not, in my opinion. It looks like relegation rot has set in.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Stats tell 20% of a story. I say 20% to highlight how arbitrary stats are. Stats are often skewed, you're a culprit quite often.

    Hartlepool sold 3 first team players in January and loaned out a few. Who decides that? At that level, it's finances, so most likely it's the owners. The manager is left with a threadbare squad, they go unbeaten for a few games, then the dead cat stops bouncing.

    They won 3 in 4 in a 2 week period. What happens after that? Does Jones change the team radically? Do the players lose confidence with every bad result.

    It's not as simple as 13 points out of 51. There are so many other factors involved that, using statistics alone, would be the dumbest thing anyone can do in making decisions like this.

    Jones v populist TV presenter. Only one winner, and Stelling is now as responsible as anyone of Hartlepool drop.
    If you'd bothered to read what I wrote, I did question how much of Hartlepool's drop in results was down to Jones.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    I read every single irrelevant word of it. You could have looked up some of the Hartlepool happenings over the last few years to draw a more informed conclusion.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Stats tell 20% of a story. I say 20% to highlight how arbitrary stats are. Stats are often skewed, you're a culprit quite often.

    Hartlepool sold 3 first team players in January and loaned out a few. Who decides that? At that level, it's finances, so most likely it's the owners. The manager is left with a threadbare squad, they go unbeaten for a few games, then the dead cat stops bouncing.

    They won 3 in 4 in a 2 week period. What happens after that? Does Jones change the team radically? Do the players lose confidence with every bad result.

    It's not as simple as 13 points out of 51. There are so many other factors involved that, using statistics alone, would be the dumbest thing anyone can do in making decisions like this.

    Jones v populist TV presenter. Only one winner, and Stelling is now as responsible as anyone of Hartlepool drop.
    A little while ago in an interview on WalesOnline, Neil Warnock suggested that a manager's job is most important when the chips are down, when things start going wrong - the best managers are the ones that are able to turn results around quite quickly. Do you agree with this?

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    If you'd bothered to read what I wrote, I did question how much of Hartlepool's drop in results was down to Jones.
    Fwiw I am hoping Newport stay up. Cheltenham v 'Pool on Saturday. I am surprised by the support for Jones on here. Miserable git,although I agree we had some great times with him. Not sure why he went up North. Had never managed at that level.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I read every single irrelevant word of it. You could have looked up some of the Hartlepool happenings over the last few years to draw a more informed conclusion.
    I did.

    If you're suggesting that a club's problems are never as a result of the manager, whether in a small way or greater, then by the same token, there's no point clubs having managers. If Jones is responsible for 3 wins out of 4, then he's also responsible in some way for 2 points from 7 games. Make your mind up.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I did.

    If you're suggesting that a club's problems are never as a result of the manager, whether in a small way or greater, then by the same token, there's no point clubs having managers. If Jones is responsible for 3 wins out of 4, then he's also responsible in some way for 2 points from 7 games. Make your mind up.
    That isn't what I said at all. What I said was that something changed at Hartlepool following those 3 wins. And, stats are not giving us the answer. The answer lies in the changing rooms, in the psyche of players, manager, coach. It's not simply one man's problem. I think football is still a team game, right?
    Last edited by Kris; 24-04-17 at 14:48.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I did.

    If you're suggesting that a club's problems are never as a result of the manager, whether in a small way or greater, then by the same token, there's no point clubs having managers. If Jones is responsible for 3 wins out of 4, then he's also responsible in some way for 2 points from 7 games. Make your mind up.
    That's not what I suggested at all. I suggest that Hartlepools problems are the same as they were 12 months and a couple of managers ago.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Good to see Eric still posting his anti DJ nonsense all these years later. You're an idiot pal.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Good to see Eric still posting his anti DJ nonsense all these years later. You're an idiot pal.
    But he has the stats. Usually selected to back his argument.

    He really has no idea. Jones inherits bad team at bad club. Jones forced to sell 3 players and loan out others. Jones wines and dined by Stelling after 3 wins in 4. Jones criticized on national TV by same man without prior conversation.

    Jones could have kept them up, reading his interview for the Northern Echo, he wasn't lacking passion. If he waved his arms more, would Eric have liked him more?

    You could airdrop Mourinho at the club, they'll still go down.

    Eric should check their forum, the fans know where the issues are. And it's not with Jones, Moore or any of the others.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    No suprise there then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    But he has the stats. Usually selected to back his argument.

    He really has no idea. Jones inherits bad team at bad club. Jones forced to sell 3 players and loan out others. Jones wines and dined by Stelling after 3 wins in 4. Jones criticized on national TV by same man without prior conversation.

    Jones could have kept them up, reading his interview for the Northern Echo, he wasn't lacking passion. If he waved his arms more, would Eric have liked him more?

    You could airdrop Mourinho at the club, they'll still go down.

    Eric should check their forum, the fans know where the issues are. And it's not with Jones, Moore or any of the others.
    And once again your bias towards Jones clouds your thoughts in debating this with me. Same old story from years ago. Pity you won't confirm your previous identity.

    Please confirm the following:

    I am not entirely blaming Jones for the position Hartlepool are in.

    I have stated that Hartlepool have been struggling in League 2 for a few seasons now.

    I have stated that Jones has had the thankless task of being in charge of a sinking ship.

    I have said that I don't think sacking him will make any difference to Hartlepool staying up.

    What I have suggested is:

    Results have got marginally worse under Jones overall. Sorry if you're being sensitive to this, but that is fact. We both agree that there are many things causing this.

    However, my point remains that the club probably think that things can't get any worse, that relegation is a foregone conclusion, so trying something else for the last 2 games isn't a gamble.

    You can raise your blood pressure by suggesting that I'm continuing some anti-Jones tirade, but far from it. I was one of the few that thought it was time for Ranieri to go at Leicester, for similar reasons. If the club feel that changing manager doesn't represent a gamble, then the club should do it. Whether that's right or not is up to you - different people have different opinions.

    I suspect you're still bitter from our debates from years ago, which I was eventually proved right on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    And once again your bias towards Jones clouds your thoughts in debating this with me. Same old story from years ago. Pity you won't confirm your previous identity.

    Please confirm the following:

    I am not entirely blaming Jones for the position Hartlepool are in.

    I have stated that Hartlepool have been struggling in League 2 for a few seasons now.

    I have stated that Jones has had the thankless task of being in charge of a sinking ship.

    I have said that I don't think sacking him will make any difference to Hartlepool staying up.

    What I have suggested is:

    Results have got marginally worse under Jones overall. Sorry if you're being sensitive to this, but that is fact. We both agree that there are many things causing this.

    However, my point remains that the club probably think that things can't get any worse, that relegation is a foregone conclusion, so trying something else for the last 2 games isn't a gamble.

    You can raise your blood pressure by suggesting that I'm continuing some anti-Jones tirade, but far from it. I was one of the few that thought it was time for Ranieri to go at Leicester, for similar reasons. If the club feel that changing manager doesn't represent a gamble, then the club should do it. Whether that's right or not is up to you - different people have different opinions.

    I suspect you're still bitter from our debates from years ago, which I was eventually proved right on.
    What are you on about? It appears that many people disagreed with you over Jones, so I may be one of those.

    You were eventually proven right on Jones? You were on his back for 3 years during which he managed what only Fred Stewart had previously achieved, a major Cup Final.

    The club were always competitive during his time. Like Mackay, he had to build a team from scratch, and 2006-2011 saw the club improve year on year. 2010-11 was his last season, he knew it and he made short term decisions that season that he deserves criticism for.

    Did he fail at Cardiff? Yes, eventually he did. But who hasn't?

    Mackay - relegated
    Jones - not promoted
    Lawrence - promoted but struggled
    Burrows - relegated
    May - relegated after promotion
    Scoular - never promoted

    For any Cardiff manager of the last 70 years you could have claimed "he hasn't a clue" and eventually you'd be right. A stopped clock is right twice a day, you are right once a decade.

    I have no Jones bias - I chanted for him to be sacked after the 0-3 with Charlton. you have an anti Jones agenda, credit to you for persistence.

    But, FA Cup final, Loovens, Johnson, Marshall, Whittingham, Chopra, Bothroyd, Scimica, McPhail, Jerome, Ramsey, Ledley, Koumas.My memory is crap, but even I can remember some of the names.

    2005-06
    13th 64 points Chopra 22 goals
    2007-08
    12th 64 points FA Cup Finalists
    7th 74 points McCormack 21 goals
    4th 76 points
    4th 80 points

    Throughout the majority of this time, you claimed he was not very good. Based on flimsy stats over arbitrary lengths of time. Stats like Cardiffs record from coming from behind, or not doing so well in November.

    2010-11 was the right time for him to go. If you had your way, he'd have gone in 2007.


    Year on year Jones improved either the league position or the points tally of both. Whilst selling players. You similarly claimed that Ridsdale was responsible for signing Loovens and Chopra. Didn't you?
    Last edited by Kris; 24-04-17 at 16:11.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Mackay wasn't relegated.

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    His team was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    His team was.
    Ole brought in 6 or 7 players so that's stretching it a bit. You might as well say that Jones' team was promoted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Ole brought in 6 or 7 players so that's stretching it a bit. You might as well say that Jones' team was promoted.
    Fair point, in which case Hartlepool are not Jones' team (3 loan deals, 1 for just a month) .

    Hartlepool lost 3 players in January - 2 defenders to L2 clubs and midfielder Laurent went to Wigan.

    The three players loaned in by Jones had played a grand total of TWO league games between them. Plainly, Hartlepool have a full bladder, and no pot.

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    Remember when Harry Redknapp took Spurs into the Champions League? It was before - for the purpose of this story - we found out that his dodgy dealings had ruined Pompey and Southampton, that everything was in his dog's name and before we worked out that his biggest strength was the "our Harry" image he had created. A number of years on and it's desperation stuff by Brum to give him a job at the bottom of the Championship.

    When DJ left here he was leaving on the back of managing over one hundred games at the fourth consecutive club, he only once had a winning percentage of less than 40%. Hartlepool however was his first club since 01/12/13 and Hartlepool picking a manager from the past - not one who had his record tarnished as much as Harry's - was desperation stuff. DJ (I say having never worked in football) was better suited to a DoF type role or part-time specialist adviser.

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    The most overrated manager that Cardiff City have employed in recent years IMO, a footballing dinosaur. I'd have saved Hartlepool a fortune if they they'd have asked.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    The most overrated manager that Cardiff City have employed in recent years IMO, a footballing dinosaur. I'd have saved Hartlepool a fortune if they they'd have asked.
    The most over-rated manager that Cardiff City have employed in recent years?

    I'd put Malky, & Ole way before Jones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68 View Post
    The most over-rated manager that Cardiff City have employed in recent years?

    I'd put Malky, & Ole way before Jones
    Most successful over a long period. Who was the last manager Cardiff had for more than 2 years?

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    What are you on about? It appears that many people disagreed with you over Jones, so I may be one of those.

    You were eventually proven right on Jones? You were on his back for 3 years during which he managed what only Fred Stewart had previously achieved, a major Cup Final.

    The club were always competitive during his time. Like Mackay, he had to build a team from scratch, and 2006-2011 saw the club improve year on year. 2010-11 was his last season, he knew it and he made short term decisions that season that he deserves criticism for.

    Did he fail at Cardiff? Yes, eventually he did. But who hasn't?

    Mackay - relegated
    Jones - not promoted
    Lawrence - promoted but struggled
    Burrows - relegated
    May - relegated after promotion
    Scoular - never promoted

    For any Cardiff manager of the last 70 years you could have claimed "he hasn't a clue" and eventually you'd be right. A stopped clock is right twice a day, you are right once a decade.

    I have no Jones bias - I chanted for him to be sacked after the 0-3 with Charlton. you have an anti Jones agenda, credit to you for persistence.

    But, FA Cup final, Loovens, Johnson, Marshall, Whittingham, Chopra, Bothroyd, Scimica, McPhail, Jerome, Ramsey, Ledley, Koumas.My memory is crap, but even I can remember some of the names.

    2005-06
    13th 64 points Chopra 22 goals
    2007-08
    12th 64 points FA Cup Finalists
    7th 74 points McCormack 21 goals
    4th 76 points
    4th 80 points

    Throughout the majority of this time, you claimed he was not very good. Based on flimsy stats over arbitrary lengths of time. Stats like Cardiffs record from coming from behind, or not doing so well in November.

    2010-11 was the right time for him to go. If you had your way, he'd have gone in 2007.


    Year on year Jones improved either the league position or the points tally of both. Whilst selling players. You similarly claimed that Ridsdale was responsible for signing Loovens and Chopra. Didn't you?
    I now know who you are. I now know I've touched a nerve

    Of the entire post, you are only concerned with the last sentence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I now know who you are. I now know I've touched a nerve

    Of the entire post, you are only concerned with the last sentence
    OK. What's my surname?

    My last sentence was "Didn't you?". The sentence before was an accusatory statement. You can deny it at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    OK. What's my surname?

    My last sentence was "Didn't you?". The sentence before was an accusatory statement. You can deny it at any time.
    I'm going to take an educated guess that it's Jirga.

    He was a pedantic little clipboard carrier too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    I'm going to take an educated guess that it's Jirga.

    He was a pedantic little clipboard carrier too.

    I think you are right.......I am not sure if he hoped that yet another name change might disguise who he is but his annoying & unfortunate traits are a bit of a give away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    His team was.
    youre a boring, idiotic ****wit

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by giddyblue View Post
    youre a boring, idiotic ****wit
    Thankyou.

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    Re: Dave Moans sacked by Hartlepool

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Thankyou.
    cuck

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