Is the Election really all about Brexit?

[the other bob wilson]

Since the election was announced, I've heard quite a few voters who say they are traditional Labour followers say that they will be voting Tory on June 8 because it's the only way we can be sure of getting out of the EU. I can understand Brexiteers who would normally vote Lib Dem opting to switch their allegiance, because a second referendum is the central plank of the that parties electoral campaign, but there's been nothing from the Labour Party since the referendum last year to indicate that they favour a re run.

I've also heard the occasional Labour voter who is switching to the Lib Dems just because of that promise of a second referendum, so, it would appear that for some people, the election is all about Brexit. Therefore, it looks as if Theresa May is getting the sort of response she's looking for given the way she spoke last week and she must be delighted as well to see that there appear to be no traditional Conservative voters who are deserting their party because they disagree with it's stance on the issue which we are told this election is all about.

I've not heard one person who classes themselves as a Tory voter say that they will be supporting someone else on 8 June because they disagree with their parties stance on Brexit and yet I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that millions of them must have voted Remain on June 23 last year.

Therefore, it seems to me that Mrs May has the best of both worlds - absolute loyalty from her own support despite at least one policy they do not like and a willingness in opposition parties to switch their votes (often to her party) solely because of the issue she says the election is all about.

Is there anyone on here who will decide who to vote for based solely on Brexit?

[Wales-Bales]

I heard that Tony Blair and David Cameron are both voting for Jeremy Corbyn, so that the world doesn't end the day after the election.

[CardiffIrish2]

Labour will do well to avoid a 150 seat Tory majority.
The opinion polls are probabaly underestimating Tory votes which is the scale of the hammering Labour are going to face.

[BlueWales]

Since the election was announced, I've heard quite a few voters who say they are traditional Labour followers say that they will be voting Tory on June 8 because it's the only way we can be sure of getting out of the EU. I can understand Brexiteers who would normally vote Lib Dem opting to switch their allegiance, because a second referendum is the central plank of the that parties electoral campaign, but there's been nothing from the Labour Party since the referendum last year to indicate that they favour a re run.

I've also heard the occasional Labour voter who is switching to the Lib Dems just because of that promise of a second referendum, so, it would appear that for some people, the election is all about Brexit. Therefore, it looks as if Theresa May is getting the sort of response she's looking for given the way she spoke last week and she must be delighted as well to see that there appear to be no traditional Conservative voters who are deserting their party because they disagree with it's stance on the issue which we are told this election is all about.

I've not heard one person who classes themselves as a Tory voter say that they will be supporting someone else on 8 June because they disagree with their parties stance on Brexit and yet I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that millions of them must have voted Remain on June 23 last year.

Therefore, it seems to me that Mrs May has the best of both worlds - absolute loyalty from her own support despite at least one policy they do not like and a willingness in opposition parties to switch their votes (often to her party) solely because of the issue she says the election is all about.

Is there anyone on here who will decide who to vote for based solely on Brexit?

Yes me. Though I may spoil my ballot paper if all the candidates in Wurzleland are Pro Brexit as may well be the case.

[Eric Cartman]

Remainers are more likely to be educated and perhaps more likely to realise that Brexit is happening regardless of what they choose to do in this election. Labour leavers are more likely to be less educated and therefore might believe the propaganda.

Labour are a shambles and obviously they don't have much support in our free press so can't conveniently hide that fact. Tories haven't achieved much in government, only a cheerleader would claim otherwise. They are probably the safer bet but if you vote for them you have to swallow the pill and accept that they will do some pretty heartless things to vulnerable people.

This election is probably the most depressing I can remember.

[Steve R]

Remainers are more likely to be educated and perhaps more likely to realise that Brexit is happening regardless of what they choose to do in this election. Labour leavers are more likely to be less educated and therefore might believe the propaganda.

Labour are a shambles and obviously they don't have much support in our free press so can't conveniently hide that fact. Tories haven't achieved much in government, only a cheerleader would claim otherwise. They are probably the safer bet but if you vote for them you have to swallow the pill and accept that they will do some pretty heartless things to vulnerable people.

This election is probably the most depressing I can remember.

Standard ill informed response full of self importance.

[Packerman]

Standard ill informed response full of self importance.

totally expected though

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Standard ill informed response full of self importance.

What do you make of the data posted on this webpage regarding the educational levels of the respective voters?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-eu-referendum

[Eric Cartman]

What do you make of the data posted on this webpage regarding the educational levels of the respective voters?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-eu-referendum

Thanks,

over to you Steve?

[Wales-Bales]

Remainers are more likely to have been educated under a Blair government.

Says it all really.

[Pearcey3]

Remainers are more likely to be educated and perhaps more likely to realise that Brexit is happening regardless of what they choose to do in this election. Labour leavers are more likely to be less educated and therefore might believe the propaganda.

Labour are a shambles and obviously they don't have much support in our free press so can't conveniently hide that fact. Tories haven't achieved much in government, only a cheerleader would claim otherwise. They are probably the safer bet but if you vote for them you have to swallow the pill and accept that they will do some pretty heartless things to vulnerable people.

This election is probably the most depressing I can remember.

The Tories are certainly not the safer better for the disabled, public sector workers,immigrants,the poor etc etc.

Agree with your final sentence

[Organ Morgan.]

The Tories are certainly not the safer better for the disabled, public sector workers,immigrants,the poor etc etc.

Agree with your final sentence

I believe that if Labour (or Labour & Lib Dems) had been in power these past seven years their policies/reforms would have been very nearly identical. And that should they be elected to office in June they would retain those policies/reforms. Why I'm so sure is that I can recall the Thatcher/Major years, and the proceeding Blair/Brown tenures when they undid absolutely nothing that the Tories introduced. Without being confrontational, can you tell me of any instance of memory failure?

Edit: I recall Blair restored union rights for GCHQ workers.

[CardiffIrish2]

What do you make of the data posted on this webpage regarding the educational levels of the respective voters?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-eu-referendum

Saw Similar results in other surveys too backing this up.

But people are tired of experts ....( apparently )

[tommy31]

This will the first election fought that will include no policies

[Wales-Bales]

This will the first election fought that will include no policies

And no leaders ...

[Pearcey3]

I believe that if Labour (or Labour & Lib Dems) had been in power these past seven years their policies/reforms would have been very nearly identical. And that should they be elected to office in June they would retain those policies/reforms. Why I'm so sure is that I can recall the Thatcher/Major years, and the proceeding Blair/Brown tenures when they undid absolutely nothing that the Tories introduced. Without being confrontational, can you tell me of any instance of memory failure?

Edit: I recall Blair restored union rights for GCHQ workers.

You make a fair point about the Blair Governments not undoing previous Tory policies. I think Corbyn would be different and he has already made clear that the need for 50% of trade unionists needing to vote in regard potential strike action will be scrapped. He has also confirmed the end of public sector pay constraint. He may not be a good leader but this is the first time in decades that I am hearing a Labour leader looking to stand up for his own. In my eyes he deserves real credit for that.

[Heathblue]

Since the election was announced, I've heard quite a few voters who say they are traditional Labour followers say that they will be voting Tory on June 8 because it's the only way we can be sure of getting out of the EU. I can understand Brexiteers who would normally vote Lib Dem opting to switch their allegiance, because a second referendum is the central plank of the that parties electoral campaign, but there's been nothing from the Labour Party since the referendum last year to indicate that they favour a re run.

I've also heard the occasional Labour voter who is switching to the Lib Dems just because of that promise of a second referendum, so, it would appear that for some people, the election is all about Brexit. Therefore, it looks as if Theresa May is getting the sort of response she's looking for given the way she spoke last week and she must be delighted as well to see that there appear to be no traditional Conservative voters who are deserting their party because they disagree with it's stance on the issue which we are told this election is all about.

I've not heard one person who classes themselves as a Tory voter say that they will be supporting someone else on 8 June because they disagree with their parties stance on Brexit and yet I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that millions of them must have voted Remain on June 23 last year.

Therefore, it seems to me that Mrs May has the best of both worlds - absolute loyalty from her own support despite at least one policy they do not like and a willingness in opposition parties to switch their votes (often to her party) solely because of the issue she says the election is all about.

Is there anyone on here who will decide who to vote for based solely on Brexit?

At the moment it's anyone except Labour, with PC looking likely, however, I will read a few manifestos before the final decision.

[Pearcey3]

This election about having strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership. We get it May. You have been told to say this time and time again by your spin doctor because you are so thick you can't think for yourself.

Dear God she is the worst PM in my memory.

[the other bob wilson]

This election about having strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership. We get it May. You have been told to say this time and time again by your spin doctor because you are so thick you can't think for yourself.

Dear God she is the worst PM in my memory.

Elwood mentioned the worst PM in my memory - it's trimmer Cameron by a distance as far as I'm concerned. James Callaghan deserves to be in the running for opting not to go to the country in autumn 1978, months before the winter of discontent and Gordon Brown was poor, but Mrs May is showing that she has the potential to be a strong candidate once reality bites for her.

[Elwood Blues]

This election about having strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership,strong and stable leadership. We get it May. You have been told to say this time and time again by your spin doctor because you are so thick you can't think for yourself.

Dear God she is the worst PM in my memory.

No; Gordon Brown was.

And Corbyn would be even worse.

[Pearcey3]

No; Gordon Brown was.

And Corbyn would be even worse.

May has done nothing since becoming PM.She is a puppet for Murdoch and Dacre. Brown was far brighter than she ever will be.
As for Corbyn he is not a leader but then again nor is May.

[Elwood Blues]

May has done nothing since becoming PM.She is a puppet for Murdoch and Dacre. Brown was far brighter than she ever will be.
As for Corbyn he is not a leader but then again nor is May.

May has been hamstrung to a large extent by Cameron ridiculous 2015 manifesto and his complete lack of any forward planning for Brexit.

Brown is a clever man but he did not show this as PM.

May is a free better leader than Corbyn (which is not saying much!!) .though I do have my reservations.

And she is over egging the pudding with this strong and stable stuff.

[Eric Cartman]

May has been hamstrung to a large extent by Cameron ridiculous 2015 manifesto and his complete lack of any forward planning for Brexit.

Brown is a clever man but he did not show this as PM.

May is a free better leader than Corbyn (which is not saying much!!) .though I do have my reservations.

And she is over egging the pudding with this strong and stable stuff.

I am not saying I want to go back to the days of Blair or Cameron but watching May and Corbyn go at it during PMQs is tragic. Are we really surprised that neither want to do a TV debate?