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Hmmm
Are you sure you didn't sleep walk back to Cardiff and then sleep drive
Can you go back to the dealer or from the log book find out the previous owner.
May well be that they sold the car due to same problem.
You may have to pay the fines then either sell the car on, or change the reg.
I have just spoken to my house insurers & have been informed that I cannot use my legal cover for this problem.
Yesterday I contacted DVLA to have my registration changed.
I am sending my V5 off today with a covering letter explaining that I want to surrender my registration & be issued with a new one as i believe my car has been cloned.
This will take 2-4 weeks according to them so last night I ordered a new set of number plates in my registration but with the Welsh flag on the side of the plates (no V5, driving license or proof of address required even though the authorities claim that is the only way you can get new plates).
I will fit the new plates when they arrive, hopefully tomorrow, & photograph them being fitted.
If I receive any more tickets for offences committed between tomorrow & when I have my new registration & number plates I hope that as the clone cars plates does not have a flag I can use this to prove it is not my car committing these offences.
As blue matt stated the police & authorities are not interested at all.
As far as they are concerned either I am committing the offences or I know who is driving the car committing these offences 7 am refusing to tell them.
There are estimated to be at least 10,000 cloned cars on the roads committing various offences & unless the clone is involved in an accident where the driver cannot drive it away or is actually physically stopped by a real Policeman, as opposed to being photographed by gatso"s, camera vans etc there is no way of catching them.
That is fecking outrageous. If I were in your shoes I'd be gutted.Originally Posted by headlight
Cloning is such an easy thing to do & so difficult to prove.
5 doors away from me they have a similar car to mine, albeit a saloon not an estate & 3 years older, but it is a similar colour & from the front looks exactly the same as mine.
If I were to have a set of plates made up in their reg & fit them to my car I could go out & commit lots of motoring offences & they would receive all the fines/points.
As long as the photographic evidence was pictures of the front of the car (like my offence is) then it would be virtually impossible for them to prove it was not them committing the offences.
Don't forget to include a Daily Newspaper in your photo of the number plate change. Digital Date stamps can be faked but the daily paper in the photo is still reliable evidence.
The original poster sounds like a rotter to me. And if there's one thing worse than a rotter it's a tightfisted rotter. In the unlikely event it wasn't him tearing around the streets at breakneck speed, he should content himself with the knowledge that in paying the fines he's helping to lower the country's annual deficit.
But seriously, having your number plate cloned could result in a driving ban in next to no time plus a court appearance should the phantom driver reach crazy speeds.
And a shit casio telling the time.
In these days of Photoshop, how does that work?
In the old days you used to send yourself a copy (normally the music you created) via recorded deliver and sealed with a wax stamp and not open until the time to prove was necessary, or something like that!
You can still use Photoshop on it beforehand.
Definitely sounds like a case of number plate cloning to me, particularly as you have had 2 in a short space of time. Clearly whoever is driving the cloned car doesn't care about picking up tickets.
As above, while you continue to try to prove your innocence change the plates on your car to one's with a welsh flag or something asap and record proof of this and when they were changed, then if they happen to pick up another ticket anytime soon you have pretty good evidence that it's a clone. Also, the fact that you mention the plates alreayd look slightly different to yours (the lack of dealer name) seems a pretty good route to explore when arguing with the safety camera people!
Also, not sure if this has been asked above, but at the time of the second offence, did you by any chance drive anywhere at all within an hour or so of the time of the offence in Cardiff? Just wondering if CCTV would have picked up your car anywhere to show you in Cardiff at a time that would have proved impossible for you to be in Bristol that same afternoon?
Hope you get to the bottom of this, please keep us informed how this pans out. I'm intrigued.
Surely the strongest forensic evidence is the photo of each offence. Is it possible to get them in them in higher definition?
Evidence that you were elsewhere isn't going to help for the reasons already stated.
Don't for get this mate, http://www.pepipoo.com/
My money was on Steve R, but I was wondering how long it would take....
I quite like this idea of reporting two crimes. Would the Police be prepared to log them as crimes I wonder.
I have today fitted new plates to my car (ordered yesterday arrived today) with a Welsh flag on the left hand side & taken a photograph of the plates on the car with today"s Echo at the side of the plate for date confirmation.
I have sent my V5 in to the DVLA with a covering letter stating that I want a new registration as I believe my car has been cloned.
I have returned the first NIP (speeding fine) signed & dated but with no information filled in on it with a covering letter stating that I was on holiday at the time of the alleged offence, my wife will confirm that, that my car was on drive, that to the best of my knowledge no one drove the car & that I believe the car in their picture is a clone.
I have also told them that I have received another ticket that I believe is down to a clone of my car & that I have applied to the DVLA to have a new registration issued due to my concerns.
I will now wait & see what their reply is.
Keep us posted - interesting dilemma (but a worry for you no doubt)
Good on you for not rolling over and taking the fines when you weren't responsible for them.
Ultimately they've now got a responsibility to investigate it - if they don't then you're well within your rights to refuse to acknowledge the charges.
I think thats a good response. Let us know how you get on and good luck
In the meantime you should put the old number plate back on and get a few more speeding tickets, just to seal the deal.
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