Reply With QuoteThat's exactly my point. They need to be deradicalised, but we also need to understand WHY they were radicalised in the first place and address that to prevent more people becoming radicalised.Originally Posted by ninianclark
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No i cant, there is no easy answer to this. I would imagine he has been integrated into a group and persuaded to do this.
Its not solely religious, its a combination of factors, that involve social, economic and global elements. The more you focus on the religion the easier you make recruitment.
In my life with the little interaction of people from other faiths, i tend to find them similar to my mainly christian group, where they all follow the religion in different ways, some practicing more than others.
That's exactly my point. They need to be deradicalised, but we also need to understand WHY they were radicalised in the first place and address that to prevent more people becoming radicalised.
One guy gets called a racist and is then assaulted in his car but "both are at fault"? Really?
It seems to me that we are prepared to take any measure of nonsense from certain groups of our society as long as we can avoid being labelled racist, which somehow became the biggest crime of modern times.
We are such a soft touch in this country, I'm as liberal as they come but even I can see it's time to stop walking on eggshells and start treating those who believe in fairy tales with the contempt they deserve.
His parents came to the UK seeking refuge from Gaddafi. Surely he should be grateful we gave them refuge and helped oust Gaddafi?
It doesn't make sense if it was for political reasons after all this country did for them.
There is a clear history, they both knew each other. Some of the language coming out of the car was inflammatory. I imagine if i called someone a pedophile in my car they might hit me.
I personally think all people should be treated equally, in law and in practice. However if i was talking like that guy in the car to someone who is the same color and religion as me, id expect trouble.
Someone twisted a situation, made him believe and ideology and persuaded him to act on it. I would have imagined they would have used numerous methods.
Is this really the thread to be debating this? Come on show some respect.
It's because they are told the Quran IS THE WORD OF GOD by the people they trust most in this world... Their parents. They teach them the good parts then as young adults they look on the net and get told the other half of the Quran, the real Quran and because their head is full of pixies from there parents they are radicalised. Simples.
It's a thread on a football messageboard ffs not a funeral.
I think isn't that simple though, there are many other factors that come into it you can't blame it solely on the religion even if it is a big factor. There are so many socioeconomic factors that come into it.
If religion didn't exist there would still be terrorist acts committed by those on the fringes of society, there would just be another pathetic reason for it.
The guy in the car said he "doesn't stand for pedophillic practices", which sounds more than reasonable to me and yet he got hit in the face for it.
This is the quandary of the politically correct these days, the PC have found themselves having to stick up for a group with pretty messed-up beliefs, but defending them has become just a knee-jerk reaction.
If they stopped for a moment to really scrutinise what they're defending they'd surprise themselves.
You're really going round the houses to avoid blaming a bonkers religion. Stop for a second and ask yourself why.
The guy in the car is Tommy Robinson.
You know who's in the car right?
I would imagine no one stands up for pedophile practices. I think both of these people are in the wrong here, i think the behavior of both leaves a lot to be desired.
I wouldn't say i was politically correct, i have views that transcend both divides. I always think if i was that guy in the car saying that stuff in a pub, in the valleys, to other white males, i would more than likely get in a fight. By shouting at someone you dont support pedophile practices you suggest that the other person does.
Well I have no idea who that is, I just saw the video clip yesterday and took it at face value.
He's the guy who founded the EDL so it's safe to say there is more to their encounter than that clip.
Fair enough.
That's a silly argument. There are billions of Muslims who all had a similar teaching that don't go around blowing people up. This bomber had three siblings who would have been taught the same stuff by the same people and unless there's more to come out of this, they don't appear to have blown anyone up either.
The problem with all of it, in all religions, is that children are being taught the passages & teachings of their 'holy books', by their fathers, imams etc, who are telling them that God is all powerful and that the teachings are all his words and he needs to be worshipped at all times. They then add in the caveat that whilst God's word is above all, they shouldn't actually rape women & pay off their father to make it ok, like God's word says. They shouldn't actually kill all who won't convert, like God's word says. They won't actually go to hell for wearing clothing of two different materials, like God's word says.
Books that have to be interpreted like that by children, just to stop them learning that a desire to behead all those kuffar bastards is all ok, should have no place in the world.
Cheers Croesy, I knew you were always a kind soul deep down, one of the best. X
I agree. It's messed up. Not to forget, there are many parts of the world where the adults don't even have the educational level equivalent of children so they go through life with this confusing drivel floating around in their heads just waiting for the day they can be put to good use by anyone looking to manipulate them.
Yours is a silly argument. So it has to be a 100% radicalise rate to be true then? News for you, people are different, even siblings, some will be inclined that way some won't. Still don't change the reason why they are radicalised. What do all these bombers have in common? ...Islam!!
Last edited by Richyrich; 24-05-17 at 12:42.
Let's put 100% in some sort of camp then
Just googled and found this article about it:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ad-aisha-truth
Seems it's not quite so clearcut.
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