Suicide Bombers

[William Treseder]

The general opinion is that there's not much you can do if someone wants to strap a bomb to themselves and detonate it in a public place.
Ok British and world intelligence do a difficult and thankless job trying to monitor potential terrorists and no doubt prevent thousands of incidents, but surely there has got to be an answer somewhere out there.
Education is the obvious one, but is easier said than done. Human spirit is great, and people all over the world unite in the face of these horrific acts, but have we all got to live the rest of our lives just excepting that at any moment we could get blown apart by an act of terrorism, or is there a way to guide the planet with all its diversity and different religions, onto a path of relative peace, before we are all involved in the ultimate explosion?

[BLUETIT]

How would you feel if these were stood behind you in a shopping centre:---

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[lardy]

How would you feel if these were stood behind you in a shopping centre:---

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This might be the first time you've ever posted a picture of a female without some uncomfortable sexual comment.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

How would you feel if these were stood behind you in a shopping centre:---

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It would jog my memory that I had stuff to post.

[Croesy Blue]

How would you feel if these were stood behind you in a shopping centre:---

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It wouldn't bother me in the slightest, it's happened plenty of times. Would you be scared?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

The general opinion is that there's not much you can do if someone wants to strap a bomb to themselves and detonate it in a public place.
Ok British and world intelligence do a difficult and thankless job trying to monitor potential terrorists and no doubt prevent thousands of incidents, but surely there has got to be an answer somewhere out there.
Education is the obvious one, but is easier said than done. Human spirit is great, and people all over the world unite in the face of these horrific acts, but have we all got to live the rest of our lives just excepting that at any moment we could get blown apart by an act of terrorism, or is there a way to guide the planet with all its diversity and different religions, onto a path of relative peace, before we are all involved in the ultimate explosion?

Religion by its very nature is schism upon schism - and the biggest conflicts are often between the closest schisms.

[Croesy Blue]

This might be the first time you've ever posted a picture of a female without some uncomfortable sexual comment.

he is the Alf Garnett of ccmb, but even less funny

[life on mars]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

[Rjk]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

Do you think if Catholic churches and schools had done that during the troubles it would have changed things?

[life on mars]

Do you think if Catholic churches and schools had done that during the troubles it would have changed things?

With respect there is difference , Catholicism is part of us as a culture, I'm old enough to remember Catholics openly condemning the troubles and demonstrating against the atrocities , and yes they were open to us , this is about culture as well, that is /has become isolated from the mainstream for the culture and their religion , which has suited both sides , you don't have the separation of our society/culture with Catholicism as you do with Islam and Muslims.

[lardy]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

What kind of evidence that they are reporting suspects do you realistically think you will ever hear about?

[Jimmy the Jock]

What kind of evidence that they are reporting suspects do you realistically think you will ever hear about?

It does happen, and it does get reported. Can you imagine turning one of your children in?

[lardy]

It does happen, and it does get reported. Can you imagine turning one of your children in?

I expect it happens but I've never seen it reported. I would have thought if a big deal was made of it then it would vastly reduce the chances of more being turned in, like having an intelligence source compromised. But I'd be interested to see an article about what happened.

[Eric Cartman]

What kind of evidence that they are reporting suspects do you realistically think you will ever hear about?

They can write about it on the banners and posters duhh

[Jimmy the Jock]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

This would be a very positive step forward.

Did a job for an Iranian Kurd in the workshops last week, he was dismissive about ISIS and loved living in the UK . not generally the way we are led to believe muslims feel in this country.

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

I am not one to usually get involved in these type of debates/discussions. But IMO, the answers and solutions lay within their own communities. I agree with 'Life on Mars' - not enough is being done within the muslim community, either by parents or religious leaders. It seems the latter have in many cases been the orchestrators of radicalisation.
Spedger

[Eric Cartman]

I am not one to usually get involved in these type of debates/discussions. But IMO, the answers and solutions lay within their own communities. I agree with 'Life on Mars' - not enough is being done within the muslim community, either by parents or religious leaders. It seems the latter have in many cases been the orchestrators of radicalisation.
Spedger

In my opinion it is just a convenient way to blame all Muslims for the actions of a few dangerous violent radical ones.

[Eric Cartman]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

Will they have time to go to work, look after their kids and watch some telly amongst all this public relations work you are expecting them to do?

[tigerbaybluebird]

There is a way forward and that is for the Muslim community to rise and stand up and seek its own solution if as its says its not the majority which I believe ,below are a few ideas :

Open its mosques to everyone and announce and banner that as so .
Have open days
Televise these prey events and side events
Become more integrated
Put notices outside mosques , visually condemning radicals,march as so .
State publically everywhere , outside mosques , Muslim schools that these radicals " are not one of us or represent our religion "
Give up those they suspect are showing tendency radical views/ways or those who show show anger towards their new openness and solidarity against these type of ideology .

For me there is not enough evidence that the above happens .

Mosques I know of in Cardiff ARE open to everyone
Mosques DO have open days and the did publicise it #visitmymosque day was in February this year
Muslims I know ARE MORE than integrated ( btw it works both ways)
They visually condem terrorism and more ( even this last **** in Manchester own mother informed police way before he killed those poor people)
The DO inform on suspected wannabe terrorists


There is more than enough evidence that this happens, YES more could be done but that also works both ways

[Jimmy the Jock]

Mosques I know of in Cardiff ARE open to everyone
Mosques DO have open days and the did publicise it #visitmymosque day was in February this year
Muslims I know ARE MORE than integrated ( btw it works both ways)
They visually condem terrorism and more ( even this last **** in Manchester own mother informed police way before he killed those poor people)
The DO inform on suspected wannabe terrorists


There is more than enough evidence that this happens, YES more could be done but that also works both ways

Absolutely, and if we stopped getting involved in matters of oil... ahem .. the Middle East , perhaps their loooneys would leave our country alone ?

[Rjk]

It'll never be possible to prevent 100% of all attacks, they do the best they can but while vulnerable people are getting their views twisted this kind of thing will continue.

Having an open discourse about some of the issues that originally lead some people to these dark places. We have killed civilians etc. Give an outlet for this anger that doesn't lead to radicalisation.

One thing, not wanting to give any extremists any ideas, but I'm surprised drones haven't been used in a terrorist attack. Not sure of the mass they can carry, but strap some explosives or a gun to one and you have a terrifying situation and it's difficult to know what could be done to stop it.

[Feedback]

the media need to change tack on how it reports such atrocities. stop giving them airtime that they crave, stop reporting in a manner in which they perceive assists their cause.

This is a mindless few who have a warped way of thinking. starve them of the publicity they so desperately want

[Rjk]

the media need to change tack on how it reports such atrocities. stop giving them airtime that they crave, stop reporting in a manner in which they perceive assists their cause.

This is a mindless few who have a warped way of thinking. starve them of the publicity they so desperately want

I was thinking about something similar to this the other day.
I was actually thinking about streakers at sporting events, in the good old days of Erica roe etc they showed them in all of their glory, but at some point TV editors good the decision not to show them on screen, cut away to someone else, and not to laugh at their antics i.e. dont give them the reaction they wanted. As a result you don't see it as often these days.
If the media were similarly responsible on how they reported these attacks they may see a similar effect. Perhaps.

People conducting these attacks are looking for hate instead of laughter, and we are only too happy to give it to them. I'm not sure how else they could respond, perhaps with sober reflection. Or compassion towards the family of the suicide bombers who knows.

The trouble is, these days there are millions of people reacting on social media, and it would not be possible to insist on a particular response from everyone. To revert back to the streaker analogy- we would all be straight on the internet to Google the pictures.
To make matters worse, there are groups of people operating on social media trying to stir up exactly the response the terrorists want.
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There are numerous examples of people like this springing up on social media, purporting to be from the UK and wanting to provoke a response, when they are clearly from other countries.
Possibly these are paid or possibly they are just wierdos but there are quite a few of them.

[Jimmy the Jock]

the media need to change tack on how it reports such atrocities. stop giving them airtime that they crave, stop reporting in a manner in which they perceive assists their cause.

This is a mindless few who have a warped way of thinking. starve them of the publicity they so desperately want

True.

[Organ Morgan.]

the media need to change tack on how it reports such atrocities. stop giving them airtime that they crave, stop reporting in a manner in which they perceive assists their cause.

This is a mindless few who have a warped way of thinking. starve them of the publicity they so desperately want

It's not by accident or coincidence that the corporate media willingly become terrorists' publicity arm when atrocities occur here and other majority white countries, especially when Muslim or Muslim sympathisers are deemed responsible. The massive, prolonged coverage serves several purposes. One is to cause social divisions. Another is to convey the false impression that terrorism is an existential threat to our way of life. The number one reason is to provide cover for governments to expand their power which reduces the civil liberties of their citizens.