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Thread: Not one to usually bring political threads but

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    Not one to usually bring political threads but

    On **** they thought May was the clear winner of last night's debates

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    It is beginning to look like we have two bad choices.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    It is beginning to look like we have two bad choices.
    If you watched last night, how did Corbyn come off badly?

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    If you watched last night, how did Corbyn come off badly?
    I like him but I am not voting for a socialist during the brexit negotiations.

    Nothing in his manifesto is beneficial for business unless you are a start up.

    Maybe he'd be good for us on a global scale but I highly doubt it.

    He'd be good for the workers no doubt. But then bad for business prospects long term, thereby being bad for workers.

    Brexit was supposedly an "insular vote". That is exactly what a vote for Corbyn is. In regard to business anyway.

    But!. If he would fight for free trade with the EU then maybe that'd offset the huge tax rises elsewhere.

    May will not be getting my vote by the way.

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    Didn't see it but will have a gander via Catch-up.

    I know what will happen though - the Tories will be woefully short on policies and costings, but full of personal attacks and smears on Corbyn, as has been the case throughout their campaign.

    The one policy they did bang on about, they got absolutely slaughtered by every news media outlet (Dementia Tax). Fortunately for May, campaigning was postponed altogether that night after the horrific events in Manchester.

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    I don't understand why Corbyn didn't go on the big debate with the other leaders. What an opportunity to rub Mays nose in it and say "look, this is how arrogant she is".

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    If Labour pull off a miracle and win, will that mean Diane Abbot getting a cabinet post?

    Perish the thought.


    (And that IS the correct way to spell "Labour" you wankee yankee spellchecker!)

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    I like him but I am not voting for a socialist during the brexit negotiations.

    Nothing in his manifesto is beneficial for business unless you are a start up.

    Maybe he'd be good for us on a global scale but I highly doubt it.

    He'd be good for the workers no doubt. But then bad for business prospects long term, thereby being bad for workers.

    Brexit was supposedly an "insular vote". That is exactly what a vote for Corbyn is. In regard to business anyway.

    But!. If he would fight for free trade with the EU then maybe that'd offset the huge tax rises elsewhere.

    May will not be getting my vote by the way.
    Corbyn cares about what happens in this country, May has flip flopped and has shown herself to be a pure careerist. She hasn't costed her manifesto because it won't work, and her shouting and rambling won't work. She would be a disaster in terms of Brexit, unless you want us out full stop, she will be bad for business because of that.

    Also, as he said, corporation tax is would still be lower than it was in 2010. People are dying, the NHS is in crisis, the police etc are having numbers slashed, there is only one solution, and that involves money.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    If Labour pull off a miracle and win, will that mean Diane Abbot getting a cabinet post?

    Perish the thought.


    (And that IS the correct way to spell "Labour" you wankee yankee spellchecker!)
    The other option is to have a cabinet with Boris and Amber Rudd in it.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    I like him but I am not voting for a socialist during the brexit negotiations.

    Nothing in his manifesto is beneficial for business unless you are a start up.

    Maybe he'd be good for us on a global scale but I highly doubt it.

    He'd be good for the workers no doubt. But then bad for business prospects long term, thereby being bad for workers.

    Brexit was supposedly an "insular vote". That is exactly what a vote for Corbyn is. In regard to business anyway.

    But!. If he would fight for free trade with the EU then maybe that'd offset the huge tax rises elsewhere.

    May will not be getting my vote by the way.
    OK, so I have worked for the same company for 7 years. During that time, they have posted increased profits, but are paying less in tax than they were 7 years ago. Also, during that time, we have had just one pay rise (2014) and that was of 1.5%. The company has reduced it's workforce by 5% in that time too. The top guy has seen his wage rise IN REAL TERMS (i.e. after inflation) by 40%.

    Maybe, after 7 years, my employer should start spreading the profits they are making to the people who are generating those profits.

    Theresa May will make sure my company pays less taxes for 5 years, it's not going to help my family much though - especially if she raises VAT.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    If Labour pull off a miracle and win, will that mean Diane Abbot getting a cabinet post?

    Perish the thought.


    (And that IS the correct way to spell "Labour" you wankee yankee spellchecker!)
    If May wins, does that mean Dr Fox can continue to go to places like Saudi Arabia and The Philippines and claim we have "shared principals and values"?

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    If Labour pull off a miracle and win, will that mean Diane Abbot getting a cabinet post?

    Perish the thought.


    (And that IS the correct way to spell "Labour" you wankee yankee spellchecker!)
    Boris Johnson is the foreign secretary

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I don't understand why Corbyn didn't go on the big debate with the other leaders. What an opportunity to rub Mays nose in it and say "look, this is how arrogant she is".
    I can understand it, if corbyn was there but may wasn't he would be a target for all the other leaders and would be facing attacks from all sides. Most of the other parties are as much if not more in competition with labour as they are with the Tories. If anything may has done corbyn a favour by giving him an easy out.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Boris Johnson is the foreign secretary
    No he's not he's British.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Corbyn cares about what happens in this country, May has flip flopped and has shown herself to be a pure careerist. She hasn't costed her manifesto because it won't work, and her shouting and rambling won't work. She would be a disaster in terms of Brexit, unless you want us out full stop, she will be bad for business because of that.

    Also, as he said, corporation tax is would still be lower than it was in 2010. People are dying, the NHS is in crisis, the police etc are having numbers slashed, there is only one solution, and that involves money.
    Agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I can understand it, if corbyn was there but may wasn't he would be a target for all the other leaders and would be facing attacks from all sides. Most of the other parties are as much if not more in competition with labour as they are with the Tories. If anything may has done corbyn a favour by giving him an easy out.
    Maybe, or maybe the minor parties have more to gain by making the Tories look bad. They've been in power for seven years so I'd imagine the minors would love the open goal of making their point without rebuttal on the biggest stage they'll get.

    I can see your side but the PR that Labour could have gained would outweigh it in my opinion.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    OK, so I have worked for the same company for 7 years. During that time, they have posted increased profits, but are paying less in tax than they were 7 years ago. Also, during that time, we have had just one pay rise (2014) and that was of 1.5%. The company has reduced it's workforce by 5% in that time too. The top guy has seen his wage rise IN REAL TERMS (i.e. after inflation) by 40%.

    Maybe, after 7 years, my employer should start spreading the profits they are making to the people who are generating those profits.

    Theresa May will make sure my company pays less taxes for 5 years, it's not going to help my family much though - especially if she raises VAT.
    Both parties are talking about raising the minimum wage so I guess that'll help a lot of people.

    Maybe it is the case in your company but the workers don't generate profit. Not where I work. If this set of workers including myself starting moaning on a large scale we'd be gone. In come the next set of trained chimps to do it.

    I think in my work the balance between owners/shareholders pay and worker pay/privileges is fine. Wage rises alongside inflation, every year apart from this year after brexit and the weak pound.

    Is this company in the minority?. Or are all employers scumbags as Corbyn makes out.

    As I said no doubt workers lives will improve short term.

    But then:

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/sta...65744954580992

    A country currently in total melt down where you cannot even buy toilet paper.

    Lauded by our potential leader.

    There would be too much of a risk to vote for him I think. If brexit was a risk on a catastrophic scale then this is equal if not bigger.

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    Apparently, our strong and stable leader didn't utter those words once last night, but I think that only shows the pre programmed nature of the whole Conservative campaign. The fact that said campaign has had to be "relaunched" says so much about how a Government which can offer very little new or different has struggled in the last few weeks and now they are back to banging on about how only they can be trusted over Brexit and slagging Corbyn off whenever they can.

    I read somewhere this morning that Corbyn and Labour are having a good campaign, but are they really? I think I've mentioned before on here that something I learned from being such a big fan of the West Wing was that it's no bad thing to go into a campaign or leader's debate with very low expectations about the man/woman in charge of your party because, unless they prove to be a total idiot, people will start thinking "you know, so and so isn't as bad as I thought they were" - I reckon that's happened with Labour and it's leader in the last few weeks.

    During that same period, our strong and stable leader has been doing something similar but in reverse - I thought she was dull, uninspiring and robotic (again!) last night, but, by the end, I was thinking "that's probably as good as I've seen her since the election was called".

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by LordKenwyne View Post
    Both parties are talking about raising the minimum wage so I guess that'll help a lot of people.

    Maybe it is the case in your company but the workers don't generate profit. Not where I work. If this set of workers including myself starting moaning on a large scale we'd be gone. In come the next set of trained chimps to do it.

    I think in my work the balance between owners/shareholders pay and worker pay/privileges is fine. Wage rises alongside inflation, every year apart from this year after brexit and the weak pound.

    Is this company in the minority?. Or are all employers scumbags as Corbyn makes out.

    As I said no doubt workers lives will improve short term.

    But then:

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/sta...65744954580992

    A country currently in total melt down where you cannot even buy toilet paper.

    Lauded by our potential leader.

    There would be too much of a risk to vote for him I think. If brexit was a risk on a catastrophic scale then this is equal if not bigger.
    After the guy he is talking about died!

    The statistic for Venezuela under chavez stand out when that tweet was made.

    Access to education, access to sanitary facilities, doctors, level of literacy improved, transport, GDP Capita, employment, reduction of infant mortality rates...Certainly no utopia but i don't understand your point, still at least it wasn't 30 years ago and more recent comment from him.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by OurManFlint II View Post
    After the guy he is talking about died!

    The statistic for Venezuela under chavez stand out when that tweet was made.

    Access to education, access to sanitary facilities, doctors, level of literacy improved, transport, GDP Capita, employment, reduction of infant mortality rates...Certainly no utopia but i don't understand your point, still at least it wasn't 30 years ago and more recent comment from him.
    He "quintupled the countries debt".

    Throwing money around thanks to a rise in oil prices.

    He nationalised over 1000 companies. Companies which have since seen their productivity collapse.

    I know very little about this bear in mind. So happy to be proven wrong

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    If you watched last night, how did Corbyn come off badly?
    Falklands, IRA, Hamas

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    Falklands, IRA, Hamas
    Education? Healthcare? Social Care? Economy? Brexit?

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    I agree with you and this sort of thing needs to be looked at. There are companies out there that will help you offshore your money, like Apple, FaceBook, Google, StarBucks etc - they do this because of EU law - hopefully this will change post Brexit.

    This election is (and should be) about Brexit. It was called by May looking for a second mandate to carry on with Brexit. Brexit is happening - and it's up to us to decide who we want to negotiate it. Corbyn or May , or if neither of those then vote for the Lib Dems - who have offered a second referendum at the end of the Brexit negotiations - to vote for the settlement or not.

    Those are you choices, Im not overly fussed on either. I usually sway between Lib Dems and Conservatives.

    ps - Dianne Abbott!! - racist, hypocrital and utterly incompetent - I wouldn't vote Labour whilst she is anywhere near the front bench.
    This election is about more than Brexit. It's about the next 5 years. It's about a large mandate that allows May to change education to benefit the haves, to change privacy laws to allow newspapers to report how perverted crime suspects are, and to charge people for services that they have been paying for through their lives. If it's all about Brexit, then the stance taken by May, Fox and Davies means that we are either selecting a hard Brexit where we are not willing to negotiate, or a supposedly weak negotiator in Corbyn. I think I'd prefer to take my chances, knowing what the Tories are bringing. A deal for the corporations,

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Education? Healthcare? Social Care? Economy? Brexit?
    I may have misunderstood but the question appeared to me to be about where Corbyn bombed. He did well in some areas, not so well in others and quite terrible in relation to the points I referred to.

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    Re: Not one to usually bring political threads but

    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    I may have misunderstood but the question appeared to me to be about where Corbyn bombed. He did well in some areas, not so well in others and quite terrible in relation to the points I referred to.
    They don't seem particularly relevant to this election.

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