Reply With QuoteHonestly not sure if I'll bother tbh
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So who are you voting for next week?
Honestly not sure if I'll bother tbh
I live in a safe seat, my vote is nothing more than a swing-o-meter statistic. I will vote Labour, Corbyn speaks sense.
A similar poll was started on Cardiff City Forum (AKA ****) a week or so ago.
The difference there was that the National Front and BNP were given equal billing with the parties you selected.
Just saying! Different audience.
I will vote Labour but the Lib Dem (Nick Clegg) will get in.
Isn't this a borderline politics post? I thought this part of the message board was reserved for reality tv, crisps, what are you drinking, hot birds, and the odd bit of footie?
I appreciate that you may not want to answer this but did you also vote for Brexit?Originally Posted by Kris
I didn't but am told I have to accept it and I have. But the thought of Mr Corbyn and his pals leading us out of Europe and finding new friends around the Globe would be a step to far.
May, on the other hand...
If Jeremy Paxman was doing the negotiating for Europe who would have fared better -Corbyn or May
Is a less worse option!
Why do you think that? I've read that she's regarded (by those who have experience in international negotiation) as a nightmare waiting to happen. At least Labour have some savvy on their side.
I voted to remain. Theresa May is courting the Saudis, Dr Fox claims we have lots in common with the Martial Law declaring Rodrigo Diterte. We are flogging our values to the lowest bidders.
Brexit is happening, it will be shit, we will all suffer. But, only 15 odd million wanted to remain, and /some of those who voted to leave did so to save the NHS.
Now we are heading for the worst kind of Brexit, and anyone would think our vote to leave was more like 60%-40% and not the 48-52 result we got!
I'm voting ABC - Anyone But Conservative.
See how to boot the Tories out here for your constituency:
https://www.tactical2017.com
I wasn't fussed on corbyn and wanted a more moderate Labour leader.
However he's grown on me during this campaign, he's acted with integrity, professionalism (interview on women's hour aside ) and he's offered some postive Policies.
The Conservatives and their shameful propagandists have proposed nothing but fear of Corbyn, they are meant to be he government and standing up for themselves but a clear example of their pathetic campaign was Boris Johnson having a childish spat on Sky news.
Utterly pathetic. David Cameron in comparison looks a world class statesman compared to this lot.
I agree with you. I have been conditioned to believe Corbyn is bad, can't lead, and Socialism will cost this country. Every time I listen to him, I find it hard to disagree with him. He's appealing to my more Socialistic instincts, and is proving that the tycoons that run UK media are out for themselves.
It was fear that won Brexit, and fear that defeated Brown and kept Miliband out. With people now viewing a "post-Brexit" world (not that we are there yet!) as being "actually ok, not as bad as they said", sooner or later people will stop voting to avoid the worst scenario, and start voting to get the most positive scenario.
Theresa May is answering pre-selected questions, and as soon as things go off script, her bottom lip quivers and her face contorts as she tries to suppress her REAL agenda.
She called this election because she believed she could get a huge mandate to push through some of her REAL policies.
Corbyn looks week in Parliament because his back benchers are like spoiled children, looking at watches and ceilings whenever he speaks. His back benchers are scared of the headlines in Murdoch's out-dated media.
Corbyn is a decent bloke, and he is far more popular on the streets than Murdoch wants us to know, and far more believable than the weak Labour MPs have given him credit for.
If the next Parliament has a similar Tory majority to what it currently enjoys, then Corbyn has won.
I'm hoping he does even better, and we get the coalition of "chaos" that May warns us of. Far better to invest in the country because austerity is not working. The child poverty figures back that up.
We already live in a world where, if you argue every kid should have the same opportunities, you're seen as a revolutionary Bolshevik. The National Debt has risen by £1 trillion in 7 years of Tory cutbacks. Household debt continues to rise as credit remains unrealistically low. If we are going into debt, surely it's better that the money is put into the future of the country, because we have very little to show for our spending in the last 7 years.
Any vote that helps the Conservatives get in is an endorsement of foodbanks, rising wealth inequality and raiding the disabled to pay for tax cuts for the most wealthy; an endorsement of further attacks on diminishing workers' rights; an endorsement of a political, not economic austerity; an endorsement of fox hunting; an endorsement of lowering wages for the lowest paid (in real terms) and increasing child poverty; an endorsement of selling arms to Saudi Arabia; an endorsement of doubling the national debt while allowing cushty tax deals with corporations and the most well off to provide cuts in social care. There are many others.
Came across this today.
'Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.
Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone. The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Good, f**k them, it's long overdue. VOTE LABOUR.
There is a difference between acting morally righteous in opposition and doing the same in power.
Corbyn would change his tune when in office. As Trump has done with the saudi's.
He has approximately zero chance of implementing all the policies he has offered.
Food banks are not a tory invention there was poverty under labour. Then they led us gloriously into the 2008 crash, causing more poverty than any tory policy. Food banks would have risen regardless of who was in power due to a reduction in the stigma and social media coverage.
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I don't really mind who wins.
If it is labour wins then so be it.
I would rather labour win than the Tories get a minority government.
The moaning will be too much.
On your head be it though. diane Abbott, john mcdonnell etc running the uk.
Jesus wept.
I said yesterday the two options are now pretty abysmal.
You're confusing Labour that were becoming a centre right party towards the end of its term of office and the current one. As for the 2008 crash, the Tories endorsed all of Labour's spending policies and backed bailing out the banks. They are the only ones also suggesting that Labour were bad for the economy. Other groups, such as the Office for Budget Responsibility, Institute of Fiscal Studies and many others have dismissed this myth.
If Corbyn has no chance of implementing some of his socialist policies, why are the right wing media trying to smear and whip up a frenzy against him? Self preservation.
This is the only thing the Tories have used in their campaign. Their few policy proposals have been condemned and changed, their only method is attacking people, not policies.
This ^^
Have you read their manifesto?.
As there are a loads of policies in there.
Guardian comment sections are not accurate I have found in regard to Tory policy!.
People are saying the Tories have put nothing forward without even reading their proposals
When America sneezes, Britain catches a cold. Nobody could have stopped the 2008 crash.
There were 40k people using food banks in 2010, the last year of a Labour government, now there are over 1.4m. I accept there may be some rise but this is beyond stigma and media coverage now. This gov has cut every single public service in real terms, and is callously doing so. They've doubled the national debt since they've been in power and have continued their austerity policies.
As for deriding Abbott and McDonnell as a joke, look at Fox, Boris and Hunt.
Finally, I wonder why nobody is attacking Labour's policies? It might be because not only are they good ideas, they're massive vote winners, whereas the Tories have ridden back on their deeply unpopular policies more times than I can remember. They're a shambles, and they'll still bloody win...
People are attacking labour policies it is just as you say, that there are a lot of vote winners in there.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...and-value-tax/
I meant to add, yes it is a shambles the tory campaign. I think she has lost that aura of being prime ministerial.
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