Reply With QuoteGo and change your Facebook profile to Pray for London. That will show em.Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
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Go and change your Facebook profile to Pray for London. That will show em.
Who do we talk to then? These people are usually acting alone, or in small groups. It's debatable that they have any contact with ISIS at all. OK, ISIS will claim responsibility. They also claimed responsibility for a casino attack in Manila on Thursday which appears to have had no ISIS links at all!
I am liberal (although not as liberal as you). It is pointless talking to them. I agree that arresting them would be much more beneficial but, come on, 3 men with foot long knives stabbing people in crowded areas indiscriminately. The police have to act fast and, that they did, has surely saved many lives.
I think that anyone convicted of organising a terrorist attack should be jailed for life, with absolutely no contact with the outside world. Anyone suspected of radicalising young kids, and turning them into weapons should face a similar crime. Furthermore, deporting non-UK citizens is not something I think we should do. Far better to have them in our penal system.
The Government needs to invest more in intelligence, but we as people should absolutely fight back against any threats to our privacy. Any new laws should be specific and, considering we are in a war of sorts, then convicting people as Prisoners of War on concrete evidence (and I appreciate this would become open to abuse and/or a tool for further radicalisation) for the duration of the war is something that I feel is an appropriate step.
One other thing, we as a country need to look at ourselves. How often do we exclude people, ignore people, or fail to bring people from a foreign country into our communities? How often do we hear that "50 insurgents were killed" and think - bingo, we got 'em? The fact is, if a bomb is dropped on a house with two insurgents, all other people killed are also labelled insurgents, whether they are grown men, women, kids, old folk. To us 50 insurgents are wiped off the face of the planet, and it's 1-0 to the good guys. To them, 48 innocent people have been murdered. In these situations, people have a right to be angry, don't they?
Let's change our foreign policy, it is designed to protect us by killing potential enemies in far flung lands. In effect, it's galvanising the radicalisation movement of British citizens against British citizens.
You are falling into the trap of condemning a religion based on the actions of a few. I wouldn't call you an evil racist for suggesting Islam is not "The Religion of Peace" but I would point you towards the hundreds of millions of Muslims who are not Jihadists. I would also point out to you the numbers of Muslims who have fallen victim to Jihadists, executioners and the like.
Once people believe in something, they can be manipulated to do whatever you want them to do. Religion is very much like patriotism.
There is no solution to this other than engagement with communities, education and stopping wars in other countries. Division would only aid to polarise and radicalise.
True - this attack would have been so much worse if it had carried on just a few minutes longer.
However, what would happen if such an attack happened on a busy day in Merthyr Tydfil, or Pontypridd or even Cardiff or Swansea or Newport? What happens if, in the next attack, the perpetrators do not announce their arrival by crashing a van and just walk calmly into a crowded area before starting an attack?
If David Vincent was demanding that we stop saying that violent Islamist jihadis should no longer be described as 'The Perverted Death Cult of Peace' I would agree with him. But he doesn't, and he's not alone. He chooses to label 1.3 billion people with a tag that belongs to a relatively small minority who prey mostly on their co-religionists.
I would prefer to live in a rational, scientific, secular world - and leave all the fairy tales and fantasies in the history books. But until or unless that change happens we all have a responsibility to resist racist, islamophobic, and anti-semitic slurs on the majority of our neighbours.
Not to mention supplying suspect regimes with weopons.
British made bombs are causing havoc in the Yemen at the moment. We are guilty by association in many conflicts around the globe.
Well said.
I see the "bring out the candles" crowd are out in force on this thread. Listen, everything we know about Islam tells us it is a death cult. They will not stop killing and dying for their cult until we are all converted or subjugated. The sad thing is that it is too late to do anything about it. It is downhill all the way now. The only question is when do we become an Islamic state.
Most people in this country are terrified to tell the truth in case they are condemned as Islamaphobes, in other words bad people. Even the truth can't help us. The global elite decided our fate decades ago.
Blair --> Cameron --> May --> Arms Trade --> Saudi Arabia --> Qatar --> Religion --> Wahhabism --> War --> Iraq --> Libya --> Syria --> Terror --> France --> UK --> Germany --> Belgium
Islam is practiced by normal everyday folk without butchering people randomly
Harun Khan, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain has issued the following statement after the terrorist incident in London:
“I am appalled and angered by the terrorist attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market, in my home city. These acts of violence were truly shocking and I condemn them in the strongest terms.
Muslims everywhere are outraged and disgusted at these cowards who once again have destroyed the lives of our fellow Britons. That this should happen in this month of Ramadan, when many Muslims were praying and fasting only goes to show that these people respect neither life nor faith.
My prayers are with the victims and all those affected. I commend the work of our emergency services working hard to keep us safe and cope with the ensuing carnage. As ever we urge everyone to assist the authorities so that these criminals can be apprehended and brought to justice.”
I'm very sure that 10 years ago David Vincent would have been saying that Poles would be the end of this country.
Except that just isn't true
Saudi Arabia --> Qatar --> Economics & Finance --> Oil --> Investment --> France --> UK --> Germany --> Belgium
Harry Truman-->Doris Day-->Red China-->Johnnie Ray-->South Pacific-->Walter Winchell-->Joe DiMaggio
Many people claimed to have learned their history from this song!
Don't any of you people reckognise a whoosh when you read one. I was thinking of our Jeremy and his IRA and Palastinian friends!!!!!!!
I wont fecking bother any more.
Let's change our foreign policy, it is designed to protect us by killing potential enemies in far flung lands. In effect, it's galvanising the radicalisation movement of British citizens against British citizens.
Isis have gone on record and in print to say that they hate us, and our foreign policy is secondary to their aim.
There is no solution to this other than engagement with communities, education and stopping wars in other countries. Division would only aid to polarise and radicalise.
See above re wars. How can you, and why should you, engage with a community that doesn't want to integrate. 3 from Cantonian high went over there to fight. They were educated just like other kids.
Trouble is this problem goes back over 1000 years to the Crusades. So the radicals will never engage in anyone.
At no stage in my reply did I label you as a person. I looked at your argument and disagreed politely. You start off your reply with a label, having already labelled detractors as snowflakes. Then you state an opinion as fact. If Islam is a "death cult" I wonder why their 1.3bn followers have not killed billions.
The religion is 1500 years old, surely they should have conquered the world by now?
You then conclude with a question that is purely hypothetical. Which countries are Islamic States?
Your last paragraph is pure conjecture. You claim people are being suppressed to say what they really mean for fear of being labelled Islamaphobes. Maybe you assume your thoughts are held by many who don't share your courage. It's a bit arrogant.
So you used this thread to attack Jeremy Corbyn - well done.
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