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  1. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    Of course terrorism occurred before the Internet, but why make it easier for these assholes to proliferate their hatred and their actions by allowing total freedom on the Internet.
    Do most of you who are against her words, have a virus protection on your own PC's ? Why, because it would be downright stoooopid not to protect your PC as much as is possible, even though you can't guarantee you won't get a virus that messes with your PC.
    What May is suggesting is to try and protect our citizens in the same way as virus protection, but there's no guarantee that scum won't try to kill our people.
    I know what is more important to protect and it's not your PC !!!
    They will more than likely get no extra info about terrorist through these means though. A terrorist isn't using a hotmail account or anything without TOR or a VPN.

    You could completely protect your computer from viruses by not connecting to the internet or never turning it on. Why wouldn't you do that if it means you'd be completely safe?

  2. #27

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    If our response is a music concert at a cricket ground and giving up our digital privacy (what little we have already) then our way of life has been lost and all we have got is a bit of justin bierber.

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    If our response is a music concert at a cricket ground and giving up our digital privacy (what little we have already) then our way of life has been lost and all we have got is a bit of justin bierber.
    Grow up !!!

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    They will more than likely get no extra info about terrorist through these means though. A terrorist isn't using a hotmail account or anything without TOR or a VPN.

    You could completely protect your computer from viruses by not connecting to the internet or never turning it on. Why wouldn't you do that if it means you'd be completely safe?
    Totally understand that the average terrorist is unlikely to use a hotmail account, but our intelligence services are not stupid and if they can get any advantage over terrorism, then I would support that. Wouldn't you?
    Your second paragraph has no relevance !!

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    They will more than likely get no extra info about terrorist through these means though. A terrorist isn't using a hotmail account or anything without TOR or a VPN.
    And even if they were, they would simply stop using it. The only ones who'd be caught are the dumb ones who would only have messed up their attack in some other way.

    It's a sponge sword of a suggestion but will play great with the voters Theresa is targeting.

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    Re: Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    Of course terrorism occurred before the Internet, but why make it easier for these assholes to proliferate their hatred and their actions by allowing total freedom on the Internet.
    Do most of you who are against her words, have a virus protection on your own PC's ? Why, because it would be downright stoooopid not to protect your PC as much as is possible, even though you can't guarantee you won't get a virus that messes with your PC.
    What May is suggesting is to try and protect our citizens in the same way as virus protection, but there's no guarantee that scum won't try to kill our people.
    I know what is more important to protect and it's not your PC !!!
    In the other thread you said "Why should other religions suffer because of the intolerance of Muslims" well why should I lose my privacy because of others? especially when I don't think it will make people any safer, how much planning on the internet does it take to decide to hire a van and go on a rampage?

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    In the other thread you said "Why should other religions suffer because of the intolerance of Muslims" well why should I lose my privacy because of others? especially when I don't think it will make people any safer, how much planning on the internet does it take to decide to hire a van and go on a rampage?
    It is not the only solution to deal with terrorism, just one.
    Just because you don't think it will make people safe, does that make you right. It's just your opinion, which you're entitled. I will err on the side of our intelligence and security services to do their best to safeguard the country rather some people on a football forum, who are getting uppity because of the remotest chance their Internet freedom will be eroded.

  8. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    TOR has allegedly been compromised to a certain extent nowadays. What I would add though is that ISPs could do more to log metadata of IP traffic. Also there is a system called Fortinet which basically redirects a copy of network traffic and does a packet analysis - they use this in the NHS. I would hope GCHQ use something similar - but maybe they arent allowed to.

    It's something like that needs to change when May talks about the internet being regulated. They arent inteested in your porno habits they just want to try and catch the bad guys earlier, that along with powers to arrest on suspicion of being religiously mentally ill could help us
    And I think they are going to get some necessary hashtag experts in too so it'll all get sorted out nicely.

  9. #34

    Re: Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    TOR has allegedly been compromised to a certain extent nowadays. What I would add though is that ISPs could do more to log metadata of IP traffic. Also there is a system called Fortinet which basically redirects a copy of network traffic and does a packet analysis - they use this in the NHS. I would hope GCHQ use something similar - but maybe they arent allowed to.

    It's something like that needs to change when May talks about the internet being regulated. They arent inteested in your porno habits they just want to try and catch the bad guys earlier, that along with powers to arrest on suspicion of being religiously mentally ill could help us
    An interesting blog about May's proposals:

    https://boingboing.net/2017/06/04/th...ng-canute.html

    "This, then, is what Theresa May is proposing:

    * All Britons' communications must be easy for criminals, voyeurs and foreign spies to intercept

    * Any firms within reach of the UK government must be banned from producing secure software

    * All major code repositories, such as Github and Sourceforge, must be blocked

    * Search engines must not answer queries about web-pages that carry secure software

    * Virtually all academic security work in the UK must cease -- security research must only take place in proprietary research environments where there is no onus to publish one's findings, such as industry R&D and the security services

    * All packets in and out of the country, and within the country, must be subject to Chinese-style deep-packet inspection and any packets that appear to originate from secure software must be dropped

    * Existing walled gardens (like Ios and games consoles) must be ordered to ban their users from installing secure software

    * Anyone visiting the country from abroad must have their smartphones held at the border until they leave

    * Proprietary operating system vendors (Microsoft and Apple) must be ordered to redesign their operating systems as walled gardens that only allow users to run software from an app store, which will not sell or give secure software to Britons

    * Free/open source operating systems -- that power the energy, banking, ecommerce, and infrastructure sectors -- must be banned outright"

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    It's really quite amazing, and speaks volumes for a succession of technophobic Governments.

    During the recent Wanna Cry attack, Theresa May spoke on Radio 4 about the virus attacking a "WINDOW computer".

    Our privacy has already been compromised, all under the veil of fighting extremism. Theresa May claims that the internet creates a safe haven for terrorists. It would all add up perfectly if terrorism only entered these shores following the advent of the internet. In the 70's, 80's and 90's the IRA were able to conduct numerous attacks with little more than a phone box and a few coded messages.

    Does regulating the internet prevent 2 or 3 or 8 or 17 people discussing how to attack people in a city?

    One of the main reasons why I don't want a huge Tory majority is that it would allow May the freedom to harvest our information for all sorts of purposes, with little opposition because people always believe that a Government acts in a way that protects the innocent.

    Try telling that to a number of people who lost their disability benefits over their prolonged usage of Facebook. Or, try telling that to people suspected of crimes whose internet viewing history somehow makes the press.

    People will say, if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Imagine, it is March 9th 1973, and 200 people have been injured by a bomb planted by the IRA outside the Old Bailey. The PM, Theresa May, says enough is enough. From now on, we are tapping into all phone calls. The Royal Mail will be opening every envelope and reading it's contents and these contents will be made available to the DSS, DWP, NHS, Ambulance Services and the like. The police will also be taking your diaries, and any other written materials from you house for further examination.

    Do people really think that such actions would have prevented a bomb killing 5 British Soldiers two months later? Or would the Intelligence Services have had more information on the Brighton Bombing a decade later?

    This is a thinly veiled attempt to monitor citizens. Before too long, internet browsing data will be used in Courts to ascertain a person's character. A person accused of sexual crimes could well have a browsing history that shows they enjoy watching pornography. That will make the news, whether local or national, and public perception will be conditioned to pass judgment on cases where not all details are as well published. Because only perverts watch porn, right? And only junkies buy drugs, and only terrorists read stories of terrorism, and only the workshy would spend hours on Facebook at the cost to the taxpayer.

    It is a dangerous ground, it brings into complete possibility that a person somewhere in this country will be judged purely on internet browsing habits. I doubt that it will improve intelligence gathering, it hasn't so far has it? So why does May now think we need more of it? It's because she hasn't a clue what the internet is, she has a number of misconceptions, and she has an agenda.

    It's really interesting that, whilst details are still scarce, she has used this tragedy to attack the internet providers. In the immediate aftermath of this attack, within 12 hours of the attack, her focus is on the internet. Why?

    This article is about not just about pornography

    http://www.newstatesman.com/science-...rn-prohibition

    From the same source

    http://www.newstatesman.com/science-...ry-powers-bill
    Very good post,
    Spedger

  11. #36

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    This is such a bad idea on so many levels.

    It's interesting to note that the less someone knows about this subject, the more keen they are to give away my freedom on my behalf.

  12. #37

    Re: Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    Of course terrorism occurred before the Internet, but why make it easier for these assholes to proliferate their hatred and their actions by allowing total freedom on the Internet.
    Do most of you who are against her words, have a virus protection on your own PC's ? Why, because it would be downright stoooopid not to protect your PC as much as is possible, even though you can't guarantee you won't get a virus that messes with your PC.
    What May is suggesting is to try and protect our citizens in the same way as virus protection, but there's no guarantee that scum won't try to kill our people.
    I know what is more important to protect and it's not your PC !!!
    A completely false analogy.

  13. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    An interesting blog about May's proposals:

    https://boingboing.net/2017/06/04/th...ng-canute.html

    "This, then, is what Theresa May is proposing:

    * All Britons' communications must be easy for criminals, voyeurs and foreign spies to intercept

    * Any firms within reach of the UK government must be banned from producing secure software

    * All major code repositories, such as Github and Sourceforge, must be blocked

    * Search engines must not answer queries about web-pages that carry secure software

    * Virtually all academic security work in the UK must cease -- security research must only take place in proprietary research environments where there is no onus to publish one's findings, such as industry R&D and the security services

    * All packets in and out of the country, and within the country, must be subject to Chinese-style deep-packet inspection and any packets that appear to originate from secure software must be dropped

    * Existing walled gardens (like Ios and games consoles) must be ordered to ban their users from installing secure software

    * Anyone visiting the country from abroad must have their smartphones held at the border until they leave

    * Proprietary operating system vendors (Microsoft and Apple) must be ordered to redesign their operating systems as walled gardens that only allow users to run software from an app store, which will not sell or give secure software to Britons

    * Free/open source operating systems -- that power the energy, banking, ecommerce, and infrastructure sectors -- must be banned outright"

    Oh look what it says on a blog, it must be true

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Oh look what it says on a blog, it must be true
    How many times have you come on here with a "my mate says" story?

  15. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    I dont think that is what they are proposing. It's impossible to ban someone from designing new encryption technology. What they want is the ability to trace. I would happily bet a fiver CGHQ already have cracks for most tools - but that it's not revealed.

    Anything put into place could be time restricted anyway, difficult times require difficult responses Im afraid.
    GCHQ and others are actively shutting down websites on a daily basis, but it is so so easy to recreate a site in minutes. If there was an easy fix answer it would have been put into place by now.
    Upgrading the NHS computers from XP or paying for the update was an easy fix too.

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    How many times have you come on here with a "my mate says" story?

    you posted a blog as a fact to suit your arguement, if someone else had done the same but against your argument you would have been the first to post " Oh its on a blog, its not true " , you know 100% you would have

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    you posted a blog as a fact to suit your arguement, if someone else had done to the same but against your argument you would have been the first to post " Oh its on a blog, its not true " , you know 100% you would have
    Sometimes it amazes me that you're a moderator on this forum. Well, I say sometimes...

    I've made 13,000+ posts on here, you're a computer whizz, find something that backs up your bullshit or contribute something constructive.

  18. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    you posted a blog as a fact to suit your arguement, if someone else had done the same but against your argument you would have been the first to post " Oh its on a blog, its not true " , you know 100% you would have
    Jesus Christ you must be the stupidest man who's ever lived

  19. #44

    Re: Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Sometimes it amazes me that you're a moderator on this forum. Well, I say sometimes...

    I've made 13,000+ posts on here, you're a computer whizz, find something that backs up your bullshit or contribute something constructive.
    Yea writ, yoo dont rubishh blogs or tings thet yoo dont agree withe

  20. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Jesus Christ you must be the stupidest man who's ever lived
    so you think every blog is true then ? ?

  21. #46

    Re: Theresa May says the internet must now be regulated

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    so you think every blog is true then ? ?
    I'm not going off that one post I'm taking into account every argument you've ever made.

    A man who thinks he can back up has arguments by talking about what his friends said but then gets exasperated by someone using a blog.

    Also the fact you're dense as f*ck.

  22. #47

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    I hope this thread gets "hidden" in the politics forum to spare a few blushes

  23. #48

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I hope this thread gets "hidden" in the politics forum to spare a few blushes
    I have moved 4 or 5 in the last week

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Yea writ, yoo dont rubishh blogs or tings thet yoo dont agree withe
    Of course I do, if I read something I don't agree with then I'm probably going to counter it (and there's every chance I'm wrong). But tell the truth, did you even look at the blog I posted? Were you just responding because it was posted by me, someone you've had run-ins with in the past? That would be ironic, the number of times you've whinged about " stalker' s "

  25. #50

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I hope this thread gets "hidden" in the politics forum to spare a few blushes
    Also known as doing a Matt

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