Fighting terrorism not supporting it

[Nick]

Fighting terrorism:

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...error-10906543

Not supporting it:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/06/c...bers-at-rally/

[life on mars]

Interesting post can't wait for the comments.

[Wales-Bales]

I would absolutely love to lose all of my human rights, where do I sign up?

[Nick]

I would absolutely love to lose all of my human rights, where do I sign up?

Which part of "some human rights" are you struggling with?

[Organ Morgan.]

Which part of "some human rights" are you struggling with?

I have a problem with this one.

"And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and the movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court."

Here's why. The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regula...owers_Act_2000 was brought in under the same pretext. But instead it's been routinely used for minor incidents...

Councils launch eight spying ops on Brits A DAY using RIPA
Law designed for spooks, used against smokers - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/0...gbrotherwatch/

[Wales-Bales]

Which part of "some human rights" are you struggling with?

This is the Theresa we know and love from her Home Secretary days. Internet censorship, elimination of encryption and the destruction of human rights. Just like with the Snoopers Charter, she always returns to her old themes.

She was very wise to deliver this speech to a specially selected group of party members in a sealed off area. And not one Strong & Stable banner in sight

[Barry Shitpeas]

Nothing more than a cynical attempt to grab votes from your ukip types. If I'm not mistaken, all but one of the ten terrorists attackers since 2005 were UK born.

[Eric Cartman]

It is weird how easy it is to just change these kind of laws but how hard it is to change the laws that allow millionaires to avoid paying tax.

[Alfonso Perez]

It is weird how easy it is to just change these kind of laws but how hard it is to change the laws that allow millionaires to avoid paying tax.

What I find weird is that a man who has boasted that he has opposed anti terror legislation since he came to parliament in 1983 can claim that he has the best interests of our country at heart

[Nick]

You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.

[Eric Cartman]

You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.

How are you fighting terrorism?

[Wales-Bales]

You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.

That's what Tony Blair said while waving his sexed up dossier in front of parliament.

[Organ Morgan.]

You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.

Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.

[Nick]

Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.

Jeez.

[Mrs Steve R]

Or you pretend to fight terrorism whilst you're really intent on stripping away the privacy and civil liberties of your own citizens. What's utterly clear to all except the deliberately blind is you don't fight terrorism by being huge chums with the creator of ISIS and flog them billions worth of arms some of which are given directly to ISIS. Corbyn hasn't clocked this particular Tyrannosaurus rex in the telephone box which suggests he's controlled opposition.

It's painful to watch isn't it.

[the other bob wilson]

You either support terrorism or you fight it. It's utterly clear.

And in today's edition of policy by cliche.................

[Eric Cartman]

What I find weird is that a man who has boasted that he has opposed anti terror legislation since he came to parliament in 1983 can claim that he has the best interests of our country at heart

Depends on his motivation I guess. If (as it appears now) 'anti terror laws' just refers to knee-jerk broad sweeping powers that will a) make no difference and b) be abused, then I agree with him. If it means locking people up without trial just because they are a bit suspicious, then I agree with him.

If you truly believe he voted against it because he 'loves terrorists' then feel free to stick your x wherever you feel is suitable.

[Alfonso Perez]

Depends on his motivation I guess. If (as it appears now) 'anti terror laws' just refers to knee-jerk broad sweeping powers that will a) make no difference and b) be abused, then I agree with him. If it means locking people up without trial just because they are a bit suspicious, then I agree with him.

If you truly believe he voted against it because he 'loves terrorists' then feel free to stick your x wherever you feel is suitable.

Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.

In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.

I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.

[Wales-Bales]

Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.

In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.

I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.

All governments and the opposition parties are in contact with unsavery groups. Thatcher was in contact with the IRA and the ANC when they were a banned terrorist organisation. It is part of the job of being a politician.

[Eric Cartman]

Corbyn invited IRA leaders to the House of Commons immediately after the Brighton Bombing, he referred to Hamas & Hezbollah as his friends & despite numerous requests he has consistently refused to condemn the IRA.

In addition John McDonnell thinks that Bobby Sands & co should be honoured & Diane Abbott wanted the British state to be defeated in Northern Ireland.

I don't know about you but I think that there is more than enough evidence there to make a sound judgement on their attitudes towards terrorists.

Just be clear, do you think Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell want the terrorists to kill us all?

[Blue in the Face]

mutha theresa is a fookin commie

[Eric Cartman]

That comes across as more than a little patronising although in fairness you do seem to be describing yourself there. Your inability to consider this logically & objectively is blindingly obvious to me.

A few basic questions:

Do you think that it is acceptable for a potential UK PM to describe terrorist organisations as his friends?

Do you think that it is acceptable for a potential UK PM to observe a minutes silence for dead IRA terrorists?

Do you think that it is acceptable that a potential Chancellor wants to honour dead IRA terrorists?

Do you think that it is acceptable for a potential Home Secretary to want to see the British State defeated in any conflict?

I am on my phone so not so easy to reply to all of that.

Honest answer, I don't really care. I can understand why people who were involved would care but I think elections should be about the future rather than the past. Britain has had too many enemies that have turned to friends and vice versa to judge. Britain have also had enemies and positions that virtually no one in the political classes challenged, Corbyn did and was proved right in the end.

Is our agenda on terrorism working? I was in London on Saturday night and it feels to me that our interventions abroad and our commitment to trying to beat an ideology with bombs isn't providing the results. I don't think a different approach is such a dangerous idea.

Theresa May's vision for Britain (and yours) sounds a lot like North Korea, support the government position or else and sacrifice spending on schools, policing and healthcare in order to maintain a huge scary military. We will end up thick, ill and fundamentally unsafe but at least we can keep bombing the Middle East.

[lardy]

Honest answer, I don't really care. I can understand why people who were involved would care but I think elections should be about the future rather than the past. Britain has had too many enemies that have turned to friends and vice versa to judge. Britain have also had enemies and positions that virtually no one in the political classes challenged, Corbyn did and was proved right in the end.

Always amuses me that people dig out old Corbyn quotes when it was only last year that May was campaigning to stay in the EU.

[the other bob wilson]

Always amuses me that people dig out old Corbyn quotes when it was only last year that May was campaigning to stay in the EU.

Wonder if Theresa May was campaigning for Nelson Mandele to be released thirty years ago when elements within the Conservative party were saying he was a terrorist and I wonder what her attitude was to the situation described here?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10507850.html

If questions have to be asked about what politicians from the main opposition party were doing and saying decades ago, I don't get why the same isn't true of politicians within the Governing party.

[Alfonso Perez]

Wonder if Theresa May was campaigning for Nelson Mandele to be released thirty years ago when elements within the Conservative party were saying he was a terrorist and I wonder what her attitude was to the situation described here?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10507850.html

If questions have to be asked about what politicians from the main opposition party were doing and saying decades ago, I don't get why the same isn't true of politicians within the Governing party.

How many of those are currently running for PM, Chancellor or Home Secretary Bob? Do you know anything which suggests that Theresa May supported any terrorist organisations? What about Tim Farron, Nicola Sturgeon or Leanne Wood?