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Thread: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

  1. #51

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    So you don't care as it had no impact on you - that's a pretty selfish viewpoint from someone who try's to portray himself as a caring socialist. I certainly have issues with people who gave support to a terrorist group who murdered many innocent civilians, even if you don't.
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    One thing we do need are tougher anti-terror laws & if that impinges on my human rights then I really don't care as it is unlikely to have much impact on me as I don't have anything to hide.

    Can only assume this was meant as a joke.

    It's very sad to see so many people saying they'd give up human rights. They always think this kind of stuff happens to other people and will never affect them. As an example, there would have been no recent Hillsboro inquest if we didn't have human rights bills. It's taken centuries to get this point; maybe we should all try to understand what impact it might have on us rather than assuming the best case.

  2. #52

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    It always amuses me how many apologists are around when it suits their political persuasion.

    Talking of the EU do you honestly believe that Jeremy Corbyn really wanted to remain noting his past comments & half-hearted efforts during the campaign?
    I couldn't say I honestly believed that, no. He didn't do anywhere near enough during the campaign, nor during his time in opposition (up until the last month or so).

  3. #53

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Can only assume this was meant as a joke.

    It's very sad to see so many people saying they'd give up human rights. They always think this kind of stuff happens to other people and will never affect them. As an example, there would have been no recent Hillsboro inquest if we didn't have human rights bills. It's taken centuries to get this point; maybe we should all try to understand what impact it might have on us rather than assuming the best case.
    If you are looking for a joke Lardy maybe take a look at some of the tripe you post

    I have nothing to hide so why should a tightening up of anti terror laws have a direct & noticeable impact on me & other law abiding citizens? If by some chance it did have some impact on me but it resulted in a cessation of the mass murders we are currently seeing, then it will be a small price to pay in my mind - do you agree?

    Comparing anti terror legislation to the Hillsborough tragedy is as tenuous as it gets. On the subject of the Hillsborough inquest Theresa May deserves some credit, don't you think? To add some balance I was also very impressed by Andy Burnham.

  4. #54

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    Despite what has been happening of late I have far more confidence in Theresa May & Amber Rudd to keep us safe as opposed to the dream team of Jeremy Corbyn & Diane Abbott.
    29th March 2017, Amber Rudd said it was looking likely the UK would leave Europol and stop sharing intelligence with the rest of the EU, so I wish I had your confidence.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7656971.html

    Dianne Abbott comes across as dim, but I think her days as a political 'force' are numbered. I doubt she'll be in an Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet again after all that's happened with her in the past few weeks.

  5. #55

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    If you are looking for a joke Lardy maybe take a look at some of the tripe you post

    I have nothing to hide so why should a tightening up of anti terror laws have a direct & noticeable impact on me & other law abiding citizens? If by some chance it did have some impact on me but it resulted in a cessation of the mass murders we are currently seeing, then it will be a small price to pay in my mind - do you agree?

    Comparing anti terror legislation to the Hillsborough tragedy is as tenuous as it gets. On the subject of the Hillsborough inquest Theresa May deserves some credit, don't you think? To add some balance I was also very impressed by Andy Burnham.
    Well, you'd be surprised. Link below to explain that particular case but the wider view is that it reigns in authority figures from doing what they want, whether that's the police beating confessions out of people or something massive like Hillsborough.

    Yes, Burnham and May deserve credit to varying extents.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7004756.html


    The jury is definitely out on whether insufficient legislation was to blame for the recent attacks or insufficient police resources. As Armando Ianucci commented, one of them pretty much had terrorist printed on his passport. The reason no one acted was not because their hands were tied legally.

  6. #56

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    He has condemned the violence of the IRA. Are you saying this isn't enough and he must condemn their underlying objectives also?

    What does keep us safe mean? More warships?

    This government has clearly risked it's citizens lives in order to pursue austerity. This isn't I told you so, the police specifically warned them, they did it anyway.

    The smear of Corbyn hasn't worked. Originally when he was elected I had a bit of hope but then firmly became an 'anyone but corbyn' mainly because of the actions of the organisation which backs him. This election campaign has pushed me towards him. Constant irrelevant smear, mistakes by his team being headlines and mistakes by key cabinet members ignored, attack after attack and he stays polite.

    I think that we need to agree to disagree as we are polar opposites here & any more debate will only serve to waste time & effort. You clearly see something in Corbyn that I & indeed 75% of Labour MPs cannot see.

  7. #57

    Re: Fighting terrorism not supporting it

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez View Post
    I think that we need to agree to disagree as we are polar opposites here & any more debate will only serve to waste time & effort. You clearly see something in Corbyn that I & indeed 75% of Labour MPs cannot see.
    So I answer your questions but you won't answer mine. Explains a lot, conservatives are the perfect party for you it seems.

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