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I heard this line so much regarding the nhs in the lead up to the election.
This London fire has highlighted that private companies will take any shortcuts necessary when they primary aim is to make money.
Disgusting negligence that cannot be replicated in our health system.
Agreed,Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
Seconded.
Ah yes, our wonderful NHS - completely negligent -free. Having just lost a friend who suffered at the hands of the NHS [who have only recently admitted liability], can't say I'd agree with that. Also, not sure what 'negligence you're referring to, but obviously not the fire fighters sending residents back into their flats when they were leaving to escape..
Is it hard spending your your life as a heartless total **** ? Tory voter with pots of private health insurance I suppose ?
I notice you are directing your vitriol and malice towards anyone with different views than yours. No doubt you will swell with pride when I tell you that makes you a typical socialist..
I'm not a socialist as it happens but you are certainly a ****.
Unnecessary abuse.
I'm in no way suggesting that the NHS is perfect and i also know of needless deaths under the care of that system.
However, my partner is a nurse and i know how much pressure is being heaped upon her service due to the current squeeze that is going on.
Like others have recently echoed, the current accepted approach is that if something is not making money then it cannot be successful.
For me lives are far more important than money and i believe it's evident that we are heading towards an American style health insurance system.
As someone who hasn't got a huge amount but could probably afford private health care for my family i still don't take the approach that my family is all that is important.
I believe that everyone deserves free healthcare not just the few.
Can I just say Mid-Staffordshire Health Authority if we want to discuss negligence.
If you analyse it treatment by treatment (I will assume you aren't making it up) of course you will find things that are inefficient within the NHS. Simple truth is that the total amount we spend on healthcare in this country isn't enough, pretending that privatisation will fix the problems present within the UK healthcare sector is frankly insulting people's intelligence.
Government knows this, any drive for privatisation is simply to distance themselves from the disaster waiting to happen.
Can't read the article about Steve Hilton. FT articles sren't freeOh, please don't keep on saying "Magic money tree", it's just "strong and stable" mark II.
I'm not denying what you say, but haven't the events of the last few days almost certainly proved that "cheaper" doesn't always mean better?
I look at the four points the writer of this piece about the Grenfell Tower fire
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ant-inequality
makes to sum up what he says and I can't help thinking he's nailed it completely.
Also, the penultimate paragraph of this piece
https://www.ft.com/content/94ba1a62-...abdc0?mhq5j=e2
makes a very telling and, so relevant given current events, point about the attitude of someone who was in a very influential position in the Conservative portion of the 2010-15 Coalition government.
Frankly, anything or anybody that thinks in the way described in those two links (and I accept that it can be said to a smaller degree about the New Labour administrations of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) should be kept well away from the NHS!
I was able to do so at the time I posted it, but can't now - I found an article which mentions the part I talked about;-
"If this latter point sounds exaggerated, consider the Whitehall career of Steve Hilton, who was David Cameron’s “blue sky thinker” before moving to California to become a Silicon Valley sage, then returning last summer to detail the case for Brexit and show off his tan. In government, Hilton ran a “red tape challenge”, hoping to banish reams of dead weight from the statute books. Instead, as the former Liberal Democrat adviser Giles Wilkes records, weary civil servants had to defend basic safety measures: “Only the determination of hardy officials saved the public from the return of flammable sofas.” "
Private companies don't always look to squeeze every penny instead of protecting the public as you suggest. That is a way of looking at business that corbyn instills in the public. Hate first, logic later.
The vast majority of private firms operate above and beyond what is required.
Why? Because that is good for business. Social media and the media can absolutely destroys brands nowadays. The brand, service and product quality is everything.
A relative of mine had an op to fix arthritis in his hands on the NHS. THey made them so much worse the only option given was private care (which failed due to had bad the previous ops went) or amputation. I know very few people who have had good experiences with the NHS.
I don't understand the in's and out's. More money should be put into it. Until that time the discussion on whether it is viable can't be made really can it?.
But funding does rise year on year doesn't it?.
reducing 'red tape', and maintaining compliance/safety can easily be achieved. In fact more 'clear thinking' with fewer quangos,committees, and departments, means the buck cannot be passed around like pass-the-parcel. Is anyone going to disagree that when the prime minister announced a 'public enquiry', their initial thoughts were that's another 5 years, two thousand witnesses, hundreds of lawyers and tens of thousands of pages which only the journalists will ever have the stomach to read through ..
On a related note, i think the conservatives are starting to find the "magic money tree"
Of course everything should be free at the point of service , along with responsibility, skilled professionals, standards, value for money ,accountability .
Free board you say, yet you hurl abuse at a poster who airs views that you consider anathema?
No sign of hypocrisy there at all was there..
Because it's a FREE BOARD where you can say what you like Drunkfish.
The issue as I see it with privatisation is that it will get to a saturation point when the private firms running the NHS will be able to increase their charges to the payers and there will be absolutely nothing that the payers can do to reverse it. It will still be free of charge at the point of access, but behind the scenes the costs will be spiralling and less treatments will therefore be available. This will then lead to the need of private health insurance which will lead to further health inequalities.
If you think the likes of Virgin etc... running the NHS services, and the pharma companies providing the health technologies give a $hit about the patient's wellbeing then you are totally mistaken. They will think only about their shareholders and their bottom line. They need people to be ill to make money, they wouldn't be involved in this sector if there was no money to be made.
Unlike some who blindly follow the mantra that the NHS can only function inthe hands of the public sector, you give a very compelling argument, if only to adopt a more cautious approach.
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