Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
but at what point does the attacks stop being retaliation ? ?? and become something else
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but at what point does the attacks stop being retaliation ? ?? and become something else
Quote from the BBC News website this morning (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40332616):
Online followers of the so-called Islamic State have been quick to seize on the Finsbury Park attack as proof of what they see as widespread hostility towards Muslims who live in the West. Inevitably, it will be used by recruiters and propagandists to incite further attacks - extremism breeds extremism.
Retaliation?
the point i was making was at what point does the Retaliation on the Retaliation on the Retaliation become more
we could be on the 17th gen Retaliation
when does it become more ? ? and what is the next step ? ? War on our streets with both sides indiscriminately killing ? ? ?
The leader of the south Wales national front group, or something, described it as a retaliatory attack.
I don't think you know what retaliation means
Let's be honest, the reason there is more hatred towards Muslims than there was towards Catholics when the IRA were bombing us left right and centre is racism. Pure and simple.
Why does it matter if it's the dictionary definiton of racism? It's an attack based on prejudice so there's no difference anyway.
Presume he had some sort of breakdown because he's white. Whatever you think the far right papers would have helped with radicalise him even if a breakdown was the driving factor he still needed to be pushed in that direction.
There isn't. If there was, there would have been more incidents like yesterday.
Hatred can be expressed in different and less extreme ways.
Are you or Eric telling me that there is a hatred of Muslims in this country? There simply isn't. There have always been far right groups in Britain, but they have always been a very small voice.
We are an an extremely tolerant nation, and the vast majority of white/Christian people here realise that painting all muslims with the same brush is just plain daft.
Muslims aren't universally hated full stop, of course. Most people are generally fine with other types of people.
Is there more ill feeling towards Muslims than Catholics? I think you'd have to be living under a rock to answer no.
so spin back to the 70s there was lots of hatred towards irish catholics, cause and effect, its what IS want and they are bound to get a reaction unfortunately
There's always been a group that are public enemy number one. It's been Catholics, Germans, Russians, and yes, having Muslims at number one is what IS want. And that seems to be what we have right now. Even on CCMB there are a few posters who are clearly anti-muslim, though they are a clear minority.
Or living in Wales. Try asking your question up in Scotland.
I don't know Scotland so well, perhaps you could find some Scottish newspaper front pages that are negative about Catholics and I'll find some UK ones about Muslims. We'll see which is more common.
What has newspaper headlines got to do with it? You don't believe in all that pish do you?
If you do, go back to the archives and look at some of the front pages when the IRA were active in Britain.
If you want to see real hatred, get yourself up to an old firm game.
Headlines aren't a great barometer on their own, but far better than "people aren't regularly driving vans into groups" which seemed to be your point on the previous page.
Headlines are part of a bigger picture, we could look at social media. Far more hatred towards Muslims than Catholics on there, no question.
I think you're grasping at needless semantics here
Another attack in Paris.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lice-van-paris
Rammed a police car, setting his own car on fire and killing himself before he had the chance to use the array of weapons he had with him.
Like something out of 4 lions. What an idiot.
Search Darren Osbourne on Twitter and one of the first suggestions is "Darren Osbourne hero".
Unbelievable the people on there praising this idiot.
If this was an Islamic attack then there would be utter outrage at this.
I do think we are lucky that it's usually stupid people who get radicalised
It's not luck though is it?
Kill and maim innocent people (some of which may well be the same colour and religion as you) by acting like a cowardly piece of shit and after your pointless death you'll get to live in a magical world where everything is perfect and you'll get loads of nubile young virgins to cook you breakfast (no bacon though) and cater to your every sexual desire (even though they're virgins and won't know what to do)
Nothing to do with luck, anyone dull enough to believe that is cannon fodder for the people at the top of the tree (who are obviously far too busy washing their hair to do it themselves)
An interesting thought experiment is to try to picture what conditions would have to be present in order for you to consider a terrorist attack or something similar.
I guess for most people something along the lines of living under an oppressive regime that has killed your family.
Or perhaps more extreme, an alien invasion has taken over and are killing and enslaving people. In films where this happens we cheer the brave souls that fight back.
From what I've seen, most terrorists think they are akin to the action movie heroes we all love.
They think they are under attack as a people, from another group who seem evil and somehow less human than themselves. Once they reach this point in thinking then a proportion of them will do something drastic.
The people who are drawn to these dark ways of thinking, who live in a fantasist world are often people who aren't that successful living in the real world, and I guess stupid people are probably more vulnerable to ending up in that situation.
This guy wasn't wes off the other board was he?
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