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  1. #51

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Llanedeyrnblue View Post
    The world is your octopus
    Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't that be 'the world is your oyster'?

  2. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldn't that be 'the world is your oyster'?
    I thought it was lobster?

  3. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    Bath traffic is awful too for a relatively small town
    the whole city is just a bottleneck, travelling from one side to the other you have to go through the center of it

  4. #54

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    the whole city is just a bottleneck, travelling from one side to the other you have to go through the center of it
    I just dont get why the council spent £57m on that 1 mile bridge from the end of rover way to the Bay... if they wanted to make real improvements then it needs to be a dual carriageway all the way up to Rumney.

    It saves a couple of minutes each morning... but I (nor anyone in my office living in the east) dont bother with it on the way home - rover way is chockerblock, and its quicker to go through the city center and up newport road.

    And why is it even a bridge?! Not sure that it needed to be?!

  5. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    I live in Thornhill, which can be a nightmare in the morning with traffic coming from Caerphilly and basically turning Thornhill Road/Caerphilly Road into a car park. Some of them even take shortcuts (the bastards!) though Thornhill/Llanishen and jam up fidlas Road.

    It's great that Cardiff is growing, but in order to meet that growth, some serious and immediate attention needs to be given to transport infrastructure (not to any Cardiff City planners reading this - more bus lanes is NOT the answer)
    Also live in Thornhill mate. Driving from here down to Leckwith is a f*cking nightmare for these reasons. It's taken me 45 minutes to get to and from work plenty of times. I need my company car for work, if I didn't, I'd be getting the bloody train.

    I've been saying to the missus all week that Cardiff is biting off more than it can chew at the moment, as we don't have the travel infrastructure to be the mega city it's dying to be in such a small span of time. All my life is spent in traffic in Cardiff at the moment - something really needs to be done. Such a beautiful city spoiled by its absolutely diabolical travel infrastructure.

  6. #56

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    As an irregular visitor to Cardiff (except Fridays and Saturdays) on occasional match days I am always impressed how free flowing the traffic is compared with many other towns and cities. In many other places people have been more or less forced to use public transport and this is the only option unless massive amounts of money is spent on road improvements. In many places, in areas other than Cardiff, offices don't have parking places for staff and that even includes also hospitals meaning staff on night shift have no option but to walk a couple of miles at the end of their working day or getting a taxi when public transport ends at around 11pm. In some respects Cardiffians are not that hard done by. As an earlier poster said don't knock public transport until you have tried it.

  7. #57

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    I was born there. I can't afford to live there. I won't go on. It sucks.

  8. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    As an irregular visitor to Cardiff (except Fridays and Saturdays) on occasional match days I am always impressed how free flowing the traffic is compared with many other towns and cities. In many other places people have been more or less forced to use public transport and this is the only option unless massive amounts of money is spent on road improvements. In many places, in areas other than Cardiff, offices don't have parking places for staff and that even includes also hospitals meaning staff on night shift have no option but to walk a couple of miles at the end of their working day or getting a taxi when public transport ends at around 11pm. In some respects Cardiffians are not that hard done by. As an earlier poster said don't knock public transport until you have tried it.
    You are quite right, too many people are comparing the Cardiff of today with the Cardiff of yesteryear rather than comparing it with other cities of today. Cardiff is relatively easy to commute to, from and across. There is a period before 9.00am when there is a build up of traffic and a period after around 4.30pm but other than for those short periods it is relatively easy to get around the city.

  9. #59

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    You are quite right, too many people are comparing the Cardiff of today with the Cardiff of yesteryear rather than comparing it with other cities of today. Cardiff is relatively easy to commute to, from and across. There is a period before 9.00am when there is a build up of traffic and a period after around 4.30pm but other than for those short periods it is relatively easy to get around the city.
    Yeah I agree, the longest "normal" Cardiff to Cardiff commute by car is probably in the region of 45 minutes, pushing up to an hour in exceptional circumstances. Yes that seems a lot when you know that if the streets were empty it would take 20 minutes, but it isn't that bad compared to other cities.

    And that's only considering western cities, places in India you can take hours to travel a few miles

  10. #60

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    You are quite right, too many people are comparing the Cardiff of today with the Cardiff of yesteryear rather than comparing it with other cities of today. Cardiff is relatively easy to commute to, from and across. There is a period before 9.00am when there is a build up of traffic and a period after around 4.30pm but other than for those short periods it is relatively easy to get around the city.
    I agree that we're comparing Cardiff today with Cardiff yesterday. But isn't that the point of the thread?

    The simple fact is that Cardiff is growing but we still have the same roads and public transport that we had 20 years ago.

    Yes it's easier to get around than London or Bath, but that's not a lot of comfort to some poor sod stuck in traffic on their way into work.

  11. #61

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    It's not that Cardiff is growing too fast, it's the fact that Cardiff is growing that is the problem. Part of a global problem that we are busy creating.

  12. #62

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

    On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

    Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

    EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

    Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.

  13. #63

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

    On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

    Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

    EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

    Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.
    Kernel, you reminded me of this:

    Tourist: Yes I quite agree I mean what's the point of being treated like sheep. What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamari's and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's sun cream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day."

    Bounder: (agreeing patiently) Yes absolutely, yes I quite agree...

    Tourist: And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners.

    Bounder: (beginning to get fed up) Yes, yes now......

    Tourist: And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local color and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres.

    Bounder: Will you be quiet please

    Tourist: And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realize they haven't even visited to "All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'.

    Bounder: Shut up

    Tourist: Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets

    Bounder: Shut up!

    Tourist: where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion.......

    Bounder: Shut up your bloody gob....

    Tourist: crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'." And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can't even get a drink of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of "unforeseen difficulties", i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody's swallowing "enterovioform" and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and you're plagued by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers' wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free "cigarillos" and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on "Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich" and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody's talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane...

  14. #64

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

    On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

    Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

    EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

    Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.
    Not true at all.

  15. #65

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, .
    Yeah, try that on a match day!

  16. #66

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    Llandaff North to town by car takes around 10 mins, a few more mins at busy times.

    On the bus it takes 30 mins and you get to listen to people inexplicably talking much too loudly, swearing a lot and infuriatingly playing shite music much too loudly on their phones.

    Plus, it'll be far too hot in the summer, far too cold in the winter, the seat may have chewing gum stuck to it and if you have the gumption to be over 6 feet tall then you're going to break your kneecaps on the seat in front any time the bus stops.

    EDIT: Oh, and the bus stops tend to have the glass smashed so the wind howls through while you wait for a bus that sometimes simply does not arrive.

    Why they keep replacing the windows with glass is a mystery to me, they must be made of money. When I lived in St. Mellons they put plastic ones in that evidently are a lot less fun to smash every day.
    Your missing a trick. Train to town takes 10 minutes. No queues, no parking, no road rage.

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    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Yeah, try that on a match day!
    Do you ever stop moaning?
    You won't be happy until you are the only person on the road.

  18. #68

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mambo View Post
    Not that it will a difference me posting my viewpoint and what Cardiff Council plan to do BUT - rather than build on the green fields in Cardiff - sure it would be better for everyone, if instead the transport infrastructure was improved and the various Councils of Caerphilly, Cardiff, Bedwas, Newport then redeveloped land in those areas (of which there is lots of land to build on). It would mean you can live in a lovely environment, with easy public transport links to the main areas of employment.

    It would also spread some of the wealth away from Cardiff and into regions that could do with it. Would be great to live in the countryside and still be only 30 mins hassle free transport into the city centre.

    Will never happen though - as the house price profit is probably in Cardiff rather than outside. 18 years Labour down the WAG, almost permanent Labour administration in the councils - they have no incentive whatsoever to get it right.
    That's exactly what they are trying to achieve with the South Wales Metro. Unfortunately I can't see the system being anywhere near as extensive as it needs to be. But that's mainly due to a lack of money not a lack of will.

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    The bus doesn't cost a penny. I fon't know what te fuss is about. lol
    I also have a freedom pass for London, which is like an oyster card (Octapus???) and I can use any bus overland or underground train in the city, also free. When I was in London for the first 6 months of this year I was saving over£100 a month.

    Trams are a nightmare, no one who has been to Crawley for instance could ever advocate street trams

  20. #70

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tandy View Post
    Do you ever stop moaning?
    You won't be happy until you are the only person on the road.
    I use the train to get to work, that's a whole new level of misery

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    Kernel, you reminded me of this:

    Tourist: Yes I quite agree I mean what's the point of being treated like sheep. What's the point of going abroad if you're just another tourist carted around in buses surrounded by sweaty mindless oafs from Kettering and Coventry in their cloth caps and their cardigans and their transistor radios and their Sunday Mirrors, complaining about the tea - "Oh they don't make it properly here, do they, not like at home" - and stopping at Majorcan bodegas selling fish and chips and Watney's Red Barrel and calamari's and two veg and sitting in their cotton frocks squirting Timothy White's sun cream all over their puffy raw swollen purulent flesh 'cos they "overdid it on the first day."

    Bounder: (agreeing patiently) Yes absolutely, yes I quite agree...

    Tourist: And being herded into endless Hotel Miramars and Bellvueses and Continentales with their modern international luxury roomettes and draught Red Barrel and swimming pools full of fat German businessmen pretending they're acrobats forming pyramids and frightening the children and barging into queues and if you're not at your table spot on seven you miss the bowl of Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup, the first item on the menu of International Cuisine, and every Thursday night the hotel has a bloody cabaret in the bar, featuring a tiny emaciated dago with nine-inch hips and some bloated fat tart with her hair brylcreemed down and a big arse presenting Flamenco for Foreigners.

    Bounder: (beginning to get fed up) Yes, yes now......

    Tourist: And then some adenoidal typists from Birmingham with flabby white legs and diarrhea trying to pick up hairy bandy-legged wop waiters called Manuel and once a week there's an excursion to the local Roman Remains to buy cherryade and melted ice cream and bleeding Watney's Red Barrel and one evening you visit the so called typical restaurant with local color and atmosphere and you sit next to a party from Rhyl who keep singing "Torremolinos, torremolinos" and complaining about the food - "It's so greasy isn't it?" - and you get cornered by some drunken greengrocer from Luton with an Instamatic camera and Dr. Scholl sandals and last Tuesday's Daily Express and he drones on and on about how Mr. Smith should be running this country and how many languages Enoch Powell can speak and then he throws up over the Cuba Libres.

    Bounder: Will you be quiet please

    Tourist: And sending tinted postcards of places they don't realize they haven't even visited to "All at number 22, weather wonderful, our room is marked with an 'X'.

    Bounder: Shut up

    Tourist: Food very greasy but we've found a charming little local place hidden away in the back streets

    Bounder: Shut up!

    Tourist: where they serve Watney's Red Barrel and cheese and onion.......

    Bounder: Shut up your bloody gob....

    Tourist: crisps and the accordionist plays 'Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner'." And spending four days on the tarmac at Luton airport on a five-day package tour with nothing to eat but dried BEA-type sandwiches and you can't even get a drink of Watney's Red Barrel because you're still in England and the bloody bar closes every time you're thirsty and there's nowhere to sleep and the kids are crying and vomiting and breaking the plastic ash-trays and they keep telling you it'll only be another hour although your plane is still in Iceland and has to take some Swedes to Yugoslavia before it can load you up at 3 a.m. in the bloody morning and you sit on the tarmac till six because of "unforeseen difficulties", i.e. the permanent strike of Air Traffic Control in Paris - and nobody can go to the lavatory until you take off at 8, and when you get to Malaga airport everybody's swallowing "enterovioform" and queuing for the toilets and queuing for the armed customs officers, and queuing for the bloody bus that isn't there to take you to the hotel that hasn't yet been finished. And when you finally get to the half-built Algerian ruin called the Hotel del Sol by paying half your holiday money to a licensed bandit in a taxi you find there's no water in the pool, there's no water in the taps, there's no water in the bog and there's only a bleeding lizard in the bidet. And half the rooms are double booked and you can't sleep anyway because of the permanent twenty-four-hour drilling of the foundations of the hotel next door - and you're plagued by appalling apprentice chemists from Ealing pretending to be hippies, and middle-class stockbrokers' wives busily buying identical holiday villas in suburban development plots just like Esher, in case the Labour government gets in again, and fat American matrons with sloppy-buttocks and Hawaiian-patterned ski pants looking for any mulatto male who can keep it up long enough when they finally let it all flop out. And the Spanish Tourist Board promises you that the raging cholera epidemic is merely a case of mild Spanish tummy, like the previous outbreak of Spanish tummy in 1660 which killed half London and decimated Europe - and meanwhile the bloody Guardia are busy arresting sixteen-year-olds for kissing in the streets and shooting anyone under nineteen who doesn't like Franco. And then on the last day in the airport lounge everyone's comparing sunburns, drinking Nasty Spumante, buying cartons of duty free "cigarillos" and using up their last pesetas on horrid dolls in Spanish National costume and awful straw donkeys and bullfight posters with your name on "Ordoney, El Cordobes and Brian Pules of Norwich" and 3-D pictures of the Pope and Kennedy and Franco, and everybody's talking about coming again next year and you swear you never will although there you are tumbling bleary-eyed out of a tourist-tight antique Iberian airplane...
    Don't forget the bloody watneys red barrel. lol (Live at the Hollywood bowl)

  22. #72

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    A quarter mile bus lane, that just feeds into an already congested stretch of road and some traffic lights .

    Ffs.

    Every September when the school holidays are over I find myself setting my alarm 5 mins earlier.

    Leaving before 7 I can get from Radyr to Tremorfa in 25 mins. Getting home leaving any time any time between 4.30 and 6 can take as long as an hour.

    7 feckin miles !

  23. #73

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    A quarter mile bus lane, that just feeds into an already congested stretch of road and some traffic lights .

    Ffs.

    Every September when the school holidays are over I find myself setting my alarm 5 mins earlier.

    Leaving before 7 I can get from Radyr to Tremorfa in 25 mins. Getting home leaving any time any time between 4.30 and 6 can take as long as an hour.

    7 feckin miles !
    A whole 5 minutes?

    Carnage.

  24. #74

    Re: Cardiff, growing too fast?

    Been working in the Llanrumney side of Rumney recently (sounds daft that but that area from the British Legion down is Rumney). The traffic getting out of Llanrumney Avenue in the morning looks horrendous, crazy that a housing estate as large as Llanrumney has only two roads out, Mount Pleasant Ave & Llanrumney Ave. Be even worse is all the residents had jobs and had to get to work every morning😂

  25. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    A whole 5 minutes?

    Carnage.
    Every year though.
    In 12 years time I'll have to leave at 6 am

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