Queers and the BBC

[AfricanBluebird]

We live in a society where being gay is legal and more acceptable than it was - but I know from the experiences of close friends and family that it is not acceptable to a lot of people, and there is still discrimination and violence against those whose sexuality is still seen by some as unnatural or deviant. Until that changes there is a need for pride marches - to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity.

Perfectly said.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

You don't think terms like queer dancing are homophobic?

Firstly, just saying "queer" isn't criticising someone for being gay.

Secondly:

[lardy]

Firstly, just saying "queer" isn't criticising someone for being gay.

Secondly:

Favourite month?

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

I have a mate of 28 years Matthew
whos gay we call him fruity (he couldn't careless about that infact he likes the fact hes got a nickname but I digress) we have since the late 1980s
as you can imagine times were different then and he took a load of abuse and grief
but he had to fight his corner a lot and hes earned a lot of respect for that
HE calls the LBGTQI "fanatical scum" and they more trouble than they worth
he told me don't start debating with them cos they will only throw the homophob card at you if you disagree
infact many a time hes tried this theory out
hes disagreed with what they have been saying and been called homophobic
it was priceless he mentioned halfway through this guys rant "hang on mate I'm gay myself"
he was then called a traitor for disagreeing with their agenda
it did not bother him in the slightest
but hes concerned about what the real agenda is ?

[bobh]

How long before this thread gets locked/deleted?
Surprised it has lasted this long, tbh

[Croesy Blue]

to be fair doctor
everyone should be allowed to say what they like
freedom of speech and all that
banning of words or restriction of words reminds of the book 1984

Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

Political correctness has been good for the progression of the U.K. In some situations it got took too far (I got in trouble for asking for black coffee in a meeting once ffs) but on the whole not being able to use racist and bigoted language has been great for the country.

I do think being straight white men we probably find it difficult to appreciate how much the lives of minorities in this country have improved due to political correctness and changing attitudes.

[Colonel Cærdiffi]

Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

What kind of consequences would you have people face for saying stuff?

[Mrs Steve R]

Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

Political correctness has been good for the progression of the U.K. In some situations it got took too far (I got in trouble for asking for black coffee in a meeting once ffs) but on the whole not being able to use racist and bigoted language has been great for the country.

I do think being straight white men we probably find it difficult to appreciate how much the lives of minorities in this country have improved due to political correctness and changing attitudes.

Is that judging people on their race and sexuality?

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

I'm not white mate lol
I'm a wop or Italian before my post gets deleted lol

[Sgt. Pepper]

I'm not white mate lol
I'm a wop or Italian before my post gets deleted lol

eh?!

I 8 Spaghetti.
Then I 8 some more.

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

you forgot the meatballs lol
I think I replyed to you instead of crosey lol

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

Everyone is free to say what they want but shouldn't be expected not to be challenged on their attitudes and to face the consequences of what they've said.

Political correctness has been good for the progression of the U.K. In some situations it got took too far (I got in trouble for asking for black coffee in a meeting once ffs) but on the whole not being able to use racist and bigoted language has been great for the country.

I do think being straight white men we probably find it difficult to appreciate how much the lives of minorities in this country have improved due to political correctness and changing attitudes.

I agree on your first point lovely boy but I cant agree on your 2nd point
political correctness has not been good at all
its got ppl worrying about what they say in case they offend
well being offended is not a big deal is it unless there is a threat violence attached
what some find offensive others don't
and
what do u mean by racist or bigoted language ?
surely it depends what context it is put in

[Croesy Blue]

Is that judging people on their race and sexuality?

Yes but by me who is that race and sexuality, I do think we have it easier than women, gay people and other races. Not every single white person but in my life I've never had to face any oppression or been abused due to my skin colour or beliefs so I think I always found it hard to emphasise with people who did.

I always had a very similar attitude to the colonel but when I moved from Wales I made a few friends who aren't white and seeing the stuff they have to put up with sometimes and how it can affect people who are normally not sensitive people made me rethink my opinion.

[Mrs Steve R]

Yes but by me who is that race and sexuality, I do think we have it easier than women, gay people and other races. Not every single white person but in my life I've never had to face any oppression or been abused due to my skin colour or beliefs so I think I always found it hard to emphasise with people who did.

I always had a very similar attitude to the colonel but when I moved from Wales I made a few friends who aren't white and seeing the stuff they have to put up with sometimes and how it can affect people who are normally not sensitive people made me rethink my opinion.

Yeah I know you are that race and sexuality but I still don't think you can speak for everyone else of that race and sexuality, just as I don't speak for all straight women or a gay man doesn't speak for all gays, every person is different and should not be lumped in to categories, that was all I meant.

[Croesy Blue]

Yeah I know you are that race and sexuality but I still don't think you can speak for everyone else of that race and sexuality, just as I don't speak for all straight women or a gay man doesn't speak for all gays, every person is different and should not be lumped in to categories, that was all I meant.

I'm not speaking for them all but I just think generally being born a straight white male in the western world is a big advantage. It isn't the be all and end all of course but there is definitely a much lower chance of facing prejudice. Not that anyone should feel guilty about that I just think sometimes we comment on prejudice as being only words when, for me at least, it was a situation I couldn't really emphasise with.

[Mrs Steve R]

I'm not speaking for them all but I just think generally being born a straight white male in the western world is a big advantage. It isn't the be all and end all of course but there is definitely a much lower chance of facing prejudice. Not that anyone should feel guilty about that I just think sometimes we comment on prejudice as being only words when, for me at least, it was a situation I couldn't really emphasise with.

I know you are not now as you explained in your following post, I was just explaining what I meant, it's all good.

[Croesy Blue]

I posted a few years back about this, a work colleague of my wifes went to a " pride march "
he wore a leopard print thong and a feather boa ( if my memory is right ) and minced around the entire day

i asked " why the need to go over the top with the mincing ? ? "

we know you are gay, you really do not need to wear such a " outfit to shock " and that is all it was, a outfit to shock, it had nothing to do with being gay

if you are gay, get on with it, no need to shout " look at me, look at me " which brings me to the little Britain sketch, they went overboard with it, but it was acceptable because Lucas is gay ? ? ?

are " pride marches " really to " to challenge the abuse and discrimination, and for mutual support and solidarity " or are they designed to shout " look at me being gay " ? ? ?

Oh and the term " mincing " is not meant to be a derogatory term ( though i can predict a few who will take offence at it ) , we all know the over the top campness that some gays act like

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

[Jimmy the Jock]

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

Badmington colleague ?

[Heathblue]

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

Perfectly normal and acceptable terminology, I usually describe people i know through work as a colleague as i tend not to have friends at work (by choice, I keep work and private life separate) I occasionally socialise with fellow workers around Happy Holiday time and special occasions, but WTF is mincing around!!!

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

Perfectly normal and acceptable terminology, I usually describe people i know through work as a colleague as i tend not to have friends at work (by choice, I keep work and private life separate) I occasionally socialise with fellow workers around Happy Holiday time and special occasions, but WTF is mincing around!!!

keeping the personal and the professional separate is vital Nescon
I just asked fruity what mincing around actually means
and he told me to watch monty python ministry of silly walks lol

[blue matt]

Look it's blue Matt with anecdotal evidence that's something new!

I think the real question is what's your problem with mincing about? Pride marches are to both challenge the abuse and discrimination and about look at me I'm gay and proud of it, hence the word pride.

I completely understand the pride in being gay, that is fine, just do not understand the need to mince while doing it ( so save your next question, TOBW has said how to look for example of mincing )

do you not feel gays can be proud of being gay without mincing and my example wearing a leopard print thong and feather boa ? ?

What little Britain sketch did they go overboard with?

for such a self proclaimed "clever person " ( afterall you do like to throw around the idiot insult alot, so i guess you must be really really clever ) you must know about the only gay in the village

The worst thing about this post though is using "work colleague" how many other types of colleague do you get?

truly pathetic, well done

Look it's Croesy Blue with another post that brings nothing to the discussion except a chance to have a petty points argument which will go on and on and go nowhere as the goalposts will move every single time

but go on then, its raining and i am stuck at home, i will play along and give you some attention for a while till the rain stops

[Croesy Blue]

Look it's Croesy Blue with another post that brings nothing to the discussion except a chance to have a petty points argument which will go on and on and go nowhere as the goalposts will move every single time

but go on then, its raining and i am stuck at home, i will play along and give you some attention for a while till the rain stops

Gays can be proud about it without doing that but they also have the freedom to do whatever they want within the confines of the law. It just sounds like it makes you feel uncomfortable which is fair enough but they can do whatever they want, just avoid it if it makes you uncomfotable the same as I try and avoid people who make me uncomfortable without questioning why they do it. People do and like different things you just need to accept that, it's your problem not theirs.

The little britain point just seems weird considerig David Walliams plays the exact same character in several episodes and is apparntley straight.

[Croesy Blue]

Badmington colleague ?

Nope, try again

[Jimmy the Jock]

Nope, try again

Cycling colleague ( topical )

[Croesy Blue]

Cycling colleague ( topical )

Only if you're a professional cyclist even then you would only need the word colleague.