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    Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    There's been an entirely predictable record increase in religious and race hate crimes since the Brexit vote in England and Wales.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7829551.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    There's been an entirely predictable record increase in religious and race hate crimes since the Brexit vote in England and Wales.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7829551.html
    The terrorist atrocities probably contribute to the increase far more than the Brexit vote I would have thought. Stupid people responding in precisely the way the terrorists would want them to.

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    nail on the head mate

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    So after a couple of pages later on the use of the n word, where are we?
    It appears it's all down to the context of how it's used. What was the context that the 2 black guys in the Colonels video were using it to call the takeaway attendant Bitch ******?
    I'm not racist, so could I call someone who's pissed me off Bitch ******?
    It appears that a lot of white folk are trying to bend over backwards in apologising to black people for the way some of our ancestors treated their ancestors in yrs gone by.
    Absolute nonsense! It's a horrible word, that nobody of any skin colour should be happy to use, what ever context it's meant in.
    Are we gonna have a certain word that only white people can use?
    As I said earlier, the world is going mad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    So after a couple of pages later on the use of the n word, where are we?
    It appears it's all down to the context of how it's used. What was the context that the 2 black guys in the Colonels video were using it to call the takeaway attendant Bitch ******?
    I'm not racist, so could I call someone who's pissed me off Bitch ******?
    It appears that a lot of white folk are trying to bend over backwards in apologising to black people for the way some of our ancestors treated their ancestors in yrs gone by.
    Absolute nonsense! It's a horrible word, that nobody of any skin colour should be happy to use, what ever context it's meant in.
    Are we gonna have a certain word that only white people can use?
    As I said earlier, the world is going mad!
    I don't understand why white people not being able to use a racist slur means the world is going mad? I don't see why anyone would really take issue with a minority being able to reclaim a word for themselves, it doesn't really affect anyone negatively unless someone is desperate to use this slur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    I don't understand why white people not being able to use a racist slur means the world is going mad? I don't see why anyone would really take issue with a minority being able to reclaim a word for themselves, it doesn't really affect anyone negatively unless someone is desperate to use this slur.
    Because when white people use the word they get fired and it's front page news.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    There's been an entirely predictable record increase in religious and race hate crimes since the Brexit vote in England and Wales.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7829551.html
    The only faith being mentioned is Islam as usual.
    No mention of faith hatred BY Muslims against Jews or Christians.
    No mention of hatred against white people.
    It's another propaganda piece to show Muslims as victims.
    You have LGBT communities fighting for their rights in this country and demonstrate against Trump, yet many who fight against so called racism against Muslims - Islam is not a race, yet fail to fight against the Islamic views on LGBT, misogyny and FGM.
    It's this hypocrisy that is leading some to react very badly towards Muslims.
    The government and especially the opposition parties and much of Britain have become cowards, afraid to dare say anything negative about Islam, yet it's ideology and a lot of its preachings are NOT congruent in Western countries.
    They push and push their agendas, especially under the headings of freedom of speech - yet we are now having 'our' freedom of speech eroded, and equality of religious expression in a previously Christian country.
    IF they TRULY believe in that equality, then why don't they also fight the fight for minority Christians and Jews in Muslim majority countries, where those minorities are truly persecuted.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    The only faith being mentioned is Islam as usual.
    No mention of faith hatred BY Muslims against Jews or Christians.
    No mention of hatred against white people.
    It's another propaganda piece to show Muslims as victims.
    You have LGBT communities fighting for their rights in this country and demonstrate against Trump, yet many who fight against so called racism against Muslims - Islam is not a race, yet fail to fight against the Islamic views on LGBT, misogyny and FGM.
    It's this hypocrisy that is leading some to react very badly towards Muslims.
    The government and especially the opposition parties and much of Britain have become cowards, afraid to dare say anything negative about Islam, yet it's ideology and a lot of its preachings are NOT congruent in Western countries.
    They push and push their agendas, especially under the headings of freedom of speech - yet we are now having 'our' freedom of speech eroded, and equality of religious expression in a previously Christian country.
    IF they TRULY believe in that equality, then why don't they also fight the fight for minority Christians and Jews in Muslim majority countries, where those minorities are truly persecuted.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    The only faith being mentioned is Islam as usual.
    No mention of faith hatred BY Muslims against Jews or Christians.
    No mention of hatred against white people.
    It's another propaganda piece to show Muslims as victims.
    You have LGBT communities fighting for their rights in this country and demonstrate against Trump, yet many who fight against so called racism against Muslims - Islam is not a race, yet fail to fight against the Islamic views on LGBT, misogyny and FGM.
    It's this hypocrisy that is leading some to react very badly towards Muslims.
    The government and especially the opposition parties and much of Britain have become cowards, afraid to dare say anything negative about Islam, yet it's ideology and a lot of its preachings are NOT congruent in Western countries.
    They push and push their agendas, especially under the headings of freedom of speech - yet we are now having 'our' freedom of speech eroded, and equality of religious expression in a previously Christian country.
    IF they TRULY believe in that equality, then why don't they also fight the fight for minority Christians and Jews in Muslim majority countries, where those minorities are truly persecuted.
    Totally agree.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    The only faith being mentioned is Islam as usual.
    No mention of faith hatred BY Muslims against Jews or Christians.
    No mention of hatred against white people.
    It's another propaganda piece to show Muslims as victims.
    You have LGBT communities fighting for their rights in this country and demonstrate against Trump, yet many who fight against so called racism against Muslims - Islam is not a race, yet fail to fight against the Islamic views on LGBT, misogyny and FGM.
    It's this hypocrisy that is leading some to react very badly towards Muslims.
    The government and especially the opposition parties and much of Britain have become cowards, afraid to dare say anything negative about Islam, yet it's ideology and a lot of its preachings are NOT congruent in Western countries.
    They push and push their agendas, especially under the headings of freedom of speech - yet we are now having 'our' freedom of speech eroded, and equality of religious expression in a previously Christian country.
    IF they TRULY believe in that equality, then why don't they also fight the fight for minority Christians and Jews in Muslim majority countries, where those minorities are truly persecuted.
    1) Homophobia/anti-LGBT+ attitudes, not gonna deny it exists - there are a couple dickheads, but there are many more Muslim allies, especially in our generation
    2) It is more of a cultural and generational thing as there is homophobia/anti-LGBT+ attitutes across people of all religions in the South Asian communities, but then again there are many more allies across different faiths and older generations are becoming more tolerant too
    3) Anti-homophobic/LGBT+ laws in South Asia came from the Empire 🤔 So guess where the homophobia/anti-LGBT+ attitutes came from... Kinda the same among other Islamic countries/regions
    4) There was even a gay caliph
    5) Even Muslims are persecuted in Muslim majority countries
    6) To conclude, I would say that homophobic among Muslims is at similar level as any other religious group and despite there has been a history of homophobia/anti-LGBT+ attitudes (due to cultural reasons), many Muslims are much more sympathetic towards LGBT+ people

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    The only faith being mentioned is Islam as usual.
    No mention of faith hatred BY Muslims against Jews or Christians.
    No mention of hatred against white people.
    It's another propaganda piece to show Muslims as victims.
    You have LGBT communities fighting for their rights in this country and demonstrate against Trump, yet many who fight against so called racism against Muslims - Islam is not a race, yet fail to fight against the Islamic views on LGBT, misogyny and FGM.
    It's this hypocrisy that is leading some to react very badly towards Muslims.
    The government and especially the opposition parties and much of Britain have become cowards, afraid to dare say anything negative about Islam, yet it's ideology and a lot of its preachings are NOT congruent in Western countries.
    They push and push their agendas, especially under the headings of freedom of speech - yet we are now having 'our' freedom of speech eroded, and equality of religious expression in a previously Christian country.
    IF they TRULY believe in that equality, then why don't they also fight the fight for minority Christians and Jews in Muslim majority countries, where those minorities are truly persecuted.
    Load of bollocks. Let's look at the issue in question, not your BNP party political broadcast.

    The article is looking at the increase in hate and race crime since the Brexit referendum. You seemingly forgot to mention it contains attacks on non-Muslims as that renders your reply irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, some non-British people were told by a small minority of braindead ****wits that they should go home. I know of people who faced hostilities from knobheads.

    You might also be aware that more terror attacks are foiled that would have been carried out in this country by white supremacist groups.

    The think I can't, for the life of me, work out is how Muslims, Islam etc became a part of the EU referendum. Maybe not directly, it was never particularly discussed, but a number of leave voters thought by voting leave that we could stop them coming into the country (maybe even getting rid of some of those already here). Take the poster that Farage proudly stood under in the latter moments of the referendum campaign. Immigration from the middle east, asylum seekers etc never came under EU jurisdiction in terms of how we manage our own borders, but lots of dullards believed the EU was to blame. Extraordinary.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Load of bollocks. Let's look at the issue in question, not your BNP party political broadcast.

    The article is looking at the increase in hate and race crime since the Brexit referendum. You seemingly forgot to mention it contains attacks on non-Muslims as that renders your reply irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, some non-British people were told by a small minority of braindead ****wits that they should go home. I know of people who faced hostilities from knobheads.

    You might also be aware that more terror attacks are foiled that would have been carried out in this country by white supremacist groups.

    The think I can't, for the life of me, work out is how Muslims, Islam etc became a part of the EU referendum. Maybe not directly, it was never particularly discussed, but a number of leave voters thought by voting leave that we could stop them coming into the country (maybe even getting rid of some of those already here). Take the poster that Farage proudly stood under in the latter moments of the referendum campaign. Immigration from the middle east, asylum seekers etc never came under EU jurisdiction in terms of how we manage our own borders, but lots of dullards believed the EU was to blame. Extraordinary.
    A very balanced post that.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Load of bollocks. Let's look at the issue in question, not your BNP party political broadcast.

    The article is looking at the increase in hate and race crime since the Brexit referendum. You seemingly forgot to mention it contains attacks on non-Muslims as that renders your reply irrelevant. Whether you like it or not, in the immediate aftermath of the referendum, some non-British people were told by a small minority of braindead ****wits that they should go home. I know of people who faced hostilities from knobheads.

    You might also be aware that more terror attacks are foiled that would have been carried out in this country by white supremacist groups.

    The think I can't, for the life of me, work out is how Muslims, Islam etc became a part of the EU referendum. Maybe not directly, it was never particularly discussed, but a number of leave voters thought by voting leave that we could stop them coming into the country (maybe even getting rid of some of those already here). Take the poster that Farage proudly stood under in the latter moments of the referendum campaign. Immigration from the middle east, asylum seekers etc never came under EU jurisdiction in terms of how we manage our own borders, but lots of dullards believed the EU was to blame. Extraordinary.
    Good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon1959 View Post
    Good post.
    As I said, a very balanced attitude and post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    The only faith being mentioned is Islam as usual.
    No mention of faith hatred BY Muslims against Jews or Christians.
    No mention of hatred against white people.
    It's another propaganda piece to show Muslims as victims.
    You have LGBT communities fighting for their rights in this country and demonstrate against Trump, yet many who fight against so called racism against Muslims - Islam is not a race, yet fail to fight against the Islamic views on LGBT, misogyny and FGM.
    It's this hypocrisy that is leading some to react very badly towards Muslims.
    The government and especially the opposition parties and much of Britain have become cowards, afraid to dare say anything negative about Islam, yet it's ideology and a lot of its preachings are NOT congruent in Western countries.
    They push and push their agendas, especially under the headings of freedom of speech - yet we are now having 'our' freedom of speech eroded, and equality of religious expression in a previously Christian country.
    IF they TRULY believe in that equality, then why don't they also fight the fight for minority Christians and Jews in Muslim majority countries, where those minorities are truly persecuted.
    you're right, the muzzies do absolutely nothing to help christians, especially where Christians face persecution

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/29/christ...dents-6670055/

    http://stepfeed.com/these-muslims-he...-in-egypt-6544

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7771126.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7777351.html

    I could go on but I think you get the picture. it is there if you look hard enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    you're right, the muzzies do absolutely nothing to help christians, especially where Christians face persecution

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/29/christ...dents-6670055/

    http://stepfeed.com/these-muslims-he...-in-egypt-6544

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7771126.html

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7777351.html

    I could go on but I think you get the picture. it is there if you look hard enough
    It is good a few people do help each other between the faiths but unfortunately

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alon-b..._13652002.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persec...3%A1%27%C3%ADs

    etc

    There is a reason why the two sects of Islam are entirely dominant in the region. And it isn't down to people finding God every time.

    You can find some good eggs but the they aren't the ones that will do the damage.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    The terrorist atrocities probably contribute to the increase far more than the Brexit vote I would have thought. Stupid people responding in precisely the way the terrorists would want them to.
    The terrorists were already there, they don't need any more excuses. It's just the gullible politicians, media and public who say that it will feed terrorism.
    What about actually talking openly about what is feeding this hatred and disharmony.
    Again, it will be down to cowardice as most won't actually talk openly about those root causes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    The terrorists were already there, they don't need any more excuses. It's just the gullible politicians, media and public who say that it will feed terrorism.
    What about actually talking openly about what is feeding this hatred and disharmony.
    Again, it will be down to cowardice as most won't actually talk openly about those root causes.
    You can't seriously believe that prejudice and hatred towards Muslims, which is openly displayed by the nation's two largest newspapers, hasn't had any effect on terrorism within this country?

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    The terrorist atrocities probably contribute to the increase far more than the Brexit vote I would have thought. Stupid people responding in precisely the way the terrorists would want them to.
    These sorts of reports have come since immediately after Brexit vote when, as far as I recall, we were in a reasonably quiet period for attacks. Whether that was a pre-warning for what might happen and then became far worse because of attacks.....

    Regardless of the root cause, it's shameful for there to be race hate crimes in this day and age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    You can't seriously believe that prejudice and hatred towards Muslims, which is openly displayed by the nation's two largest newspapers, hasn't had any effect on terrorism within this country?
    You can't seriously believe that all Islamic terrorism and militancy in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Holland, Sweden and on EVERY habitable continent on this planet since the time of Mohammed, is down to this nation's two largest newspapers ?
    Surely you can't be as ego centric as clueless Corbyn and believe everything is our fault !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    You can't seriously believe that all Islamic terrorism and militancy in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Holland, Sweden and on EVERY habitable continent on this planet since the time of Mohammed, is down to this nation's two largest newspapers ?
    Surely you can't be as ego centric as clueless Corbyn and believe everything is our fault !!
    Rising number of anti-semitic incidents must also be up the the media too... according to some.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    You can't seriously believe that all Islamic terrorism and militancy in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Spain, Holland, Sweden and on EVERY habitable continent on this planet since the time of Mohammed, is down to this nation's two largest newspapers ?
    Surely you can't be as ego centric as clueless Corbyn and believe everything is our fault !!
    Where did I say that?

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    Not surprised by the report Newport like a lot of run down areas in the UK seem to attract far more immigration and up until the last election found bedfellows in UKIP its language fitted their grievance, after that comes grievance about the better off ,unfortunately they become disenfranchised society's that can breed dissatisfaction and hatred towards others which is then politically milked , we even see hatred and people marganlised because of faith, view and gender within political parties .

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Where did I say that?
    So do you agree that there is a massive problem with Islamic terrorism and militancy around the world.
    Simple yes or no.
    You were implying the nation's two largest newspapers are causing an increase in terrorism and militancy in this country.
    I am asserting that the problem was already there.
    The newspapers, any social media and individuals are reacting to what they see, read and hear.

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    Re: Gwent records the biggest increase in religious and racial hate crimes since Referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    So do you agree that there is a massive problem with Islamic terrorism and militancy around the world.
    Simple yes or no.
    You were implying the nation's two largest newspapers are causing an increase in terrorism and militancy in this country.
    I am asserting that the problem was already there.
    The newspapers, any social media and individuals are reacting to what they see, read and hear.
    You stated that I believed that all Islamic terrorism is down to the press which I didn't say, I said that it had an effect on it

    The problem has grown significantly in the past few years as a direct result of a number of factors, however round-the-clock news coverage and headlines such as these aren't helping the situation
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    Of course Islamic terrorism is a problem

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