where did you nick that idea fromOriginally Posted by TISS
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where did you nick that idea from
You are pretty thick so I can see why you'd think you were chris.i thought I was chris
Ooohh, name calling.
Get you ya nasty old queen.
P.s your username explains a lot.
I am pro EU and pro immigrant but I had a discussion with a Romanian waiter at a family meal in a pub in Gloucester last night that made me realise its all murkier than I thought.
He reckoned about 50% of his compatriots come to this country with no intention of settling. He reckons they deliberately target jobs in the black market and do not pay income tax. They have no intention staying here long term but look to make as much money as they can before returning home. I was surprised he felt the numbers were that high and have no way of knowing how accurate he is.
So there is a two fold problem with a significant proportion of Romanians appearing to abuse the system and British employers being complicit in all of this and benefitting with cheap labour.
Did you get your new Romanian friend to type that post for you?
Yeah if you say
It's three-fold because the state is on it too.
Only three out of 700 firms prosecuted for paying below minimum wage: https://www.theguardian.com/society/...w-minimum-wage
Yep. Fair comment.
It was just a joke pal, calm down
Anyone who actually has this opinion really is a complete idiot.
Bob
You say ordinary rules don't apply because of a person's skin colour. That is the very definition of racism. I know you don't intend for it to be racist, but when we start treating people differently and allowing them to act differently to each other based solely on skin tone, then we are promulgating race distinction via the backdoor.
Either the word is acceptable to all or none at all.
The way Africans were treated was a crime against humanity, not just a crime against africans. Africans betrayed Africans, Europeans abused that betrayal.
Don't agree with your first paragraph at all because when it comes to the colour of someone's skin, I cannot think of one descriptive or made up word off the top of my head that is definitely used in a complimentary way - it seems the best we can hope for is just to call them by that colour, so white, black and redskin are seen as fairly neutral terms (at least I think they are, but I may be wrong) and I suppose something like Caucasian falls into the same category.
Many other words would be viewed as an insult though by the group the word described and it seems to me that the large majority are names given to dark skinned people by those with paler skins. The n word is unusual in that it is a word that some blacks have no problem with using in certain contexts, It's true that there are very many blacks who disagree with this, but, undoubtedly, we're talking about a word that involves nuances depending on the colour of the skin of the person using it - the reaction by the person the word is directed at can differ greatly depending on those nuances, so we are talking about a word that can be interpreted differently no matter what you claim.
Apparently there are white rap artists who use it, but, from my perspective, any white person using the n word is either using it as an insult (or worse) or is so stupid as not to understand the implications of what they are saying - either way, there can be no legitimate excuse I can think of for a white middle aged or old politician to use it in this day and age.
why can't we use terms that easily identify people, their doesn't always have to be a sinister undertone.
i'm not claiming anything other than as long as we treat different people differently for a given situation, we will always have racism. I have said elsewhere it is a complex issue. It would be nice if we could all use n****r and no one get offended, but given its historical connotations, it is going to take a long time (if ever) for its meaning to change sufficiently for its use to be deemed acceptable.
there was a basketball coach from Chicago (possibly Illinois) who asked his players if he could join in with them when they referred to each other in that way. They all agreed it was perfectly acceptable. They knew him, they knew he respected them and they respected him. In that context there was no racist connotations no matter what word was used.
I remember a black person saying they had earned the "right" to be able to use it as they wish.
White people have not.
No one should be born with any greater rights than anyone else. Are present day Africans responsible for their forefathers enslaving parts of their local populace and selling them to the Europeans - no of course not. Are present day Europeans responsible for the actions of their forefathers. Again of course not.
As long as people look to differentiate for whatever reason, racism will exist.
Racism in America is alive and well. Nothing to do with the past.
The UK is completely different.
Alarmingly so.
I don't disagree. I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make. Racists come in many forms, you don't have to use the word n*****r or any other crass term to be racist. It is more about how you treat people and how you see them than any words you use.
THANK YOU for putting the point more eloquently than I apparently can.
Yes because defending the use of any term, even a term used for hate crime, would lead to equality.
Everyone agrees with what TISS said. If only the world were as easy and binary as that suggestion.
But white people still are born with more rights than black people, especially in the USA.
Even in the uk a black person no matter how educated is two thirds less likely to be given a job than an equally educated white person.
I don't disagree with you either. I'm also not sure of the point you are trying to make. Their is social injustice - we all know that. Quite a lot of people are left on the scrap heap and told they won't ever amount to much. There is much work to be done, both here, in the UK and in the world in general.
Is this the most respectful discussion we've ever had on ccmb?
I agree a lot of work needs to be done in the uk, many working class people are treated like absolute shit and are more or less forgotten about.
But we also shouldn't ignore that a black person from the same class statistically has even less chance.
I think the country should be striving to improve the lives of everyone and the equality for all races and sexes.
Do you care to explain why? The MP who used the word is bang out of order. It's a horrible word, and one that I've never used in my life, so why do black people find it acceptable in rapping lyrics. I don't buy into ToBW's explanation about the sheepshagging chants. As a Welshman, I don't get offended at all if someone calls me a sheepshagger. I see the humour in it.
There is no humour or justification in the modern world for anybody to be using the "N" word.
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