Ignoring Private Parking Fines

[Eric Cartman]

How is it a flawed idea? By far the best solution to alleviate parking pressure on site.

Ok, so your revolutionary idea of building the carpark ( I believe the company charging took on the cost of building the car park ) or expanding ( and where exactly is it meant to expand - you want to compulsary purchase nearby houses? ) is itself flawed.

There are many things that could be done. Improve public transport. Car share for those on the same shifts. Park and ride from external sites. The reality is there are plenty of staff who park in surrounding roads causing problems and simply not giving a f*ck. They soon give a f*ck when they get ticketed. Christ, a neighbour had one twat park in his driveway!

Are patients meant to use it? I had crippling stomach surgery when I was a teenager. The idea that for our outpatient visits my mum would have to drive to the park and ride and then we would need to get on a bus to attend the visits is just absurd.

As for the rant at the end, as Lector said, you are mixing two completely different issues. The people running the hospital car park don't give people tickets for parking in your road. The people parking in your road are most probably doing it for one of 2 reasons:

1. They don't want to pay to park at work
2. They can't find a space to park at work

How do we solve the problem of people parking in your road? More spaces and don't charge for hospital parking. Job done.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Are patients meant to use it? I had crippling stomach surgery when I was a teenager. The idea that for our outpatient visits my mum would have to drive to the park and ride and then we would need to get on a bus to attend the visits is just absurd.

As for the rant at the end, as Lector said, you are mixing two completely different issues. The people running the hospital car park don't give people tickets for parking in your road. The people parking in your road are most probably doing it for one of 2 reasons:

1. They don't want to pay to park at work
2. They can't find a space to park at work

How do we solve the problem of people parking in your road? More spaces and don't charge for hospital parking. Job done.

You're believing park and ride means no car park spaces on site. It doesn't, it complements things to alleviate the problem. So your situation isn't what's being discussed.

The two issues are linked. It's self-entitlement for no valid reason. The people parking in our road are doing it for the reasons you gave yet are parking illegally on double yellows, parking illegally blocking pavements. That's classic self-entitlement especially when you point that out to them. "I paid my road tax" is the excuse most often given because magically NHS staff are allowed to park illegally or something... again, costly when they get the PCNs for their parking which are ones they can't ignore...

More spaces - where? No room on site at UHW for development of more car parking spaces. So that's out.
Don't charge for hospital parking - when contract ends that's what will happen. Quite how the latter is going to alleviate the space problem god knows because more will try to park there.

The park and ride solution is the best solution available. Definitely needs to be expanded, shift hours worked on, but the onus is to push mainly workers to park off site and bus them in freeing up spaces for patients and visitors.

[Eric Cartman]

You're believing park and ride means no car park spaces on site. It doesn't, it complements things to alleviate the problem. So your situation isn't what's being discussed.

The two issues are linked. It's self-entitlement for no valid reason. The people parking in our road are doing it for the reasons you gave yet are parking illegally on double yellows, parking illegally blocking pavements. That's classic self-entitlement especially when you point that out to them. "I paid my road tax" is the excuse most often given because magically NHS staff are allowed to park illegally or something... again, costly when they get the PCNs for their parking which are ones they can't ignore...

More spaces - where? No room on site at UHW for development of more car parking spaces. So that's out.
Don't charge for hospital parking - when contract ends that's what will happen. Quite how the latter is going to alleviate the space problem god knows because more will try to park there.

The park and ride solution is the best solution available. Definitely needs to be expanded, shift hours worked on, but the onus is to push mainly workers to park off site and bus them in freeing up spaces for patients and visitors.

I would imagine it needs to run 24 hours a day if it is intended for staff. If it is then still cost-effective and doesn't take forever then it is a good option. It doesn't take away from the fact that building a hospital without adequate provision for parking is just bad planning.

I use a park and ride at an airport quite frequently and the service is shockingly bad.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

I would imagine it needs to run 24 hours a day if it is intended for staff. If it is then still cost-effective and doesn't take forever then it is a good option. It doesn't take away from the fact that building a hospital without adequate provision for parking is just bad planning.

I use a park and ride at an airport quite frequently and the service is shockingly bad.

Well, the park and ride has been up and running 2 months from memory, it's to prove it can be effective, can be a long term thing. Hours need to be addressed to cater for shifts certainly.

It's all well and good talking about adequate provision for parking, reality is nowhere has adequate provision for parking. Aim is to reduce traffic (ha!). Given the new leader of Cardiff council is a keen cyclist, helping car drivers won't be top of the list. Equally, demand on UHW in terms of staff and patients, visitors keeps on rising. There's only a finite amount of land there.

[Eric Cartman]

You're believing park and ride means no car park spaces on site. It doesn't, it complements things to alleviate the problem. So your situation isn't what's being discussed.

With regards to this bit. The website says it is intended for patients, visitors and staff so it very much would apply to my situation.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

With regards to this bit. The website says it is intended for patients, visitors and staff so it very much would apply to my situation.

Intended but not exclusive to is the key point. Aim is to push as many who can use that service and indeed want to use it. In your circumstance, it's entirely reasonable to want to park on site. For the large majority of staff and visitors along with a number of patients it can be a solution that restricts parking to the highest priority category.