So what is the benefit of VT's visit?

[The Lone Gunman]

Yep. I think over seven years he has been a very good owner. He made one very big mistake. Apart from that he has stuck by the club and never fleeced you. It could have been a lot worse. We were left in a mess by Zingarevich and our subsequent owners have not been a whole lot better.

Out of interest, and to your knowledge, did Zingarevich ever do anything which resulted in people who had been diehard Reading fans for almost all of their lives stopping supporting the club?

[Pearcey3]

Out of interest, and to your knowledge, did Zingarevich ever do anything which resulted in people who had been diehard Reading fans for almost all of their lives stopping supporting the club?

Nope but he left the club in a desperate financial mess. We were close to going under. I appreciate your dislike of Tan but at least he has not left your club in the lurch and on the verge of administration.

[jeepster]

Nope but he left the club in a desperate financial mess. We were close to going under. I appreciate your dislike of Tan but at least he has not left your club in the lurch and on the verge of administration.

YEP,this how it is.

[The Lone Gunman]

Nope but he left the club in a desperate financial mess. We were close to going under. I appreciate your dislike of Tan but at least he has not left your club in the lurch and on the verge of administration.

The problem is that as a direct result of Tan's actions and the reactions to them from a large percentage of the fanbase, I no longer consider Cardiff City to be 'my club' as such and I know that there are many other people who feel the same, while there are more still who have continued to attend matches and support the team but no longer feel the kind of bond with the club that they previously had.

During the last fifteen months I've seen two good friends go to their graves having lost a large part of their love and affection for CCFC during Tan's tenure. These were guys who really did have Cardiff City in their blood, but who never felt remotely the same about the club after the rebrand fiasco. Another acquaintance who had been an ardent City supporter since the Sixties died a few weeks ago. My partner attended his funeral last week. She met him through her work with the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust and they remained friends until he died. Neither has supported the club since the rebrand.

I guess the depth of that kind of feeling is difficult to understand unless the sort of thing that happened here happens at your club, and even then different people would have had entirely different reactions to the whole affair. Perhaps the saddest thing is that the situation simply wouldn't have come about in the first place had it not been for the ego of one man. He may have plenty of money but as far as some of us are concerned that in no way compensates for the damage he's done, and it never did.

[Pearcey3]

The problem is that as a direct result of Tan's actions and the reactions to them from a large percentage of the fanbase, I no longer consider Cardiff City to be 'my club' as such and I know that there are many other people who feel the same, while there are more still who have continued to attend matches and support the team but no longer feel the kind of bond with the club that they previously had.

During the last fifteen months I've seen two good friends go to their graves having lost a large part of their love and affection for CCFC during Tan's tenure. These were guys who really did have Cardiff City in their blood, but who never felt remotely the same about the club after the rebrand fiasco. Another acquaintance who had been an ardent City supporter since the Sixties died a few weeks ago. My partner attended his funeral last week. She met him through her work with the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust and they remained friends until he died. Neither has supported the club since the rebrand.

I guess the depth of that kind of feeling is difficult to understand unless the sort of thing that happened here happens at your club, and even then different people would have had entirely different reactions to the whole affair. Perhaps the saddest thing is that the situation simply wouldn't have come about in the first place had it not been for the ego of one man. He may have plenty of money but as far as some of us are concerned that in no way compensates for the damage he's done, and it never did.

It's a great shame that genuine supporters have had to walk away. As with you I am passionate about my club but could not walk away. Tan has a huge ego. No doubt about that. Do you not think his ego made it that much harder for him to do a u turn and revert back to your traditional colours? At least he did change his mind. Maybe too little too late for you but at least he conceded defeat. I also think he deserves a bit of the benefit of doubt as I really do not think he would appreciate the depth of feeling a change in strip colour would mean. He badly misjudged this but he is a detached businessman and not a football fan of his local club.
I fully expected him to sulk and walk away after you reverted back to your traditional colours but he has gotten on with it and as a club you are back on the way up.

Life is short. Maybe time to forgive but not necessarily forget.

[The Lone Gunman]

It's a great shame that genuine supporters have had to walk away. As with you I am passionate about my club but could not walk away. Tan has a huge ego. No doubt about that. Do you not think his ego made it that much harder for him to do a u turn and revert back to your traditional colours? At least he did change his mind. Maybe too little too late for you but at least he conceded defeat. I also think he deserves a bit of the benefit of doubt as I really do not think he would appreciate the depth of feeling a change in strip colour would mean. He badly misjudged this but he is a detached businessman and not a football fan of his local club. I fully expected him to sulk and walk away after you reverted back to your traditional colours but he has gotten on with it and as a club you are back on the way up.

Life is short. Maybe time to forgive but not necessarily forget.

The truth is that Tan was left in no doubt whatsoever as regards the depth of feeling that his rebrand would bring. In fact, he was warned by the CEO who was in position at the time, other board members and senior members of the club's staff that the reaction from the fans would be far more angry than it actually was. Indeed, those within the club's hierarchy were pleasantly surprised by how meek and restrained the reaction from the majority of supporters was.

As regards his ego making the u-turn difficult, I've no doubt you're right but due to the catastrophic effect it was beginning to have on his business in terms of falling revenue, he was effectively left with little option. It's no coincidence that the change of policy occurred on the back of a few seriously poor attendances and an atmosphere in the ground that was apparently increasingly toxic.

If fans are willing to forgive Tan and forget what happened, then that's entirely up to them. The truth is that an overwhelming majority of City supporters simply didn't feel strongly enough about the subject to worry about it while things were going well on the pitch anyway, although most will deny that now. But for plenty of people the rebrand changed the way they view the club, its supporters and even the sport of football itself.

[Pearcey3]

The truth is that Tan was left in no doubt whatsoever as regards the depth of feeling that his rebrand would bring. In fact, he was warned by the CEO who was in position at the time, other board members and senior members of the club's staff that the reaction from the fans would be far more angry than it actually was. Indeed, those within the club's hierarchy were pleasantly surprised by how meek and restrained the reaction from the majority of supporters was.

As regards his ego making the u-turn difficult, I've no doubt you're right but due to the catastrophic effect it was beginning to have on his business in terms of falling revenue, he was effectively left with little option. It's no coincidence that the change of policy occurred on the back of a few seriously poor attendances and an atmosphere in the ground that was apparently increasingly toxic.

If fans are willing to forgive Tan and forget what happened, then that's entirely up to them. The truth is that an overwhelming majority of City supporters simply didn't feel strongly enough about the subject to worry about it while things were going well on the pitch anyway, although most will deny that now. But for plenty of people the rebrand changed the way they view the club, its supporters and even the sport of football itself.

Yep fair enough and there is no doubt your attendances were in steep decline. If he came out and admitted he made a serious mistake and apologised would it make any difference to you?

[The Lone Gunman]

Yep fair enough and there is no doubt your attendances were in steep decline. If he came out and admitted he made a serious mistake and apologised would it make any difference to you?

I'd maybe gain a tiny bit of respect for him, although to be honest such an admission would come way too late for it to make any material difference to me and I'm sure many others feel the same. I'm confident it'll never happen anyway - based on everything I've learned about him from the people he's had direct dealings with, it seems he's just not that type of individual.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

The problem is that as a direct result of Tan's actions and the reactions to them from a large percentage of the fanbase, I no longer consider Cardiff City to be 'my club' as such and I know that there are many other people who feel the same, while there are more still who have continued to attend matches and support the team but no longer feel the kind of bond with the club that they previously had.

During the last fifteen months I've seen two good friends go to their graves having lost a large part of their love and affection for CCFC during Tan's tenure. These were guys who really did have Cardiff City in their blood, but who never felt remotely the same about the club after the rebrand fiasco. Another acquaintance who had been an ardent City supporter since the Sixties died a few weeks ago. My partner attended his funeral last week. She met him through her work with the Cardiff City Supporters' Trust and they remained friends until he died. Neither has supported the club since the rebrand.

I guess the depth of that kind of feeling is difficult to understand unless the sort of thing that happened here happens at your club, and even then different people would have had entirely different reactions to the whole affair. Perhaps the saddest thing is that the situation simply wouldn't have come about in the first place had it not been for the ego of one man. He may have plenty of money but as far as some of us are concerned that in no way compensates for the damage he's done, and it never did.

I didn't feel those sentiments, though as I've looked back on things, I'd rather watch some of the dross we saw under Russell Slade than watch us with the red shirts on.

As for Tan, agreed entirely with your comments and for some, the damage has been done and there's no chance of reconciliation. Feelings towards Hammam from some were vicious but not to the level that some felt towards Tan.

Tan's seeming lack of regular involvement has been a blessing, no doubt, while the club have made huge efforts to recover the damage caused. Even the red away shirts have gone. Some won't give a toss about this, of course.