Homophobic chanting (HC) the new arrestable offence at football.

[AlwaysAway2]

With the news today that Leicester City fans have been arrested for HC at their recent home match with the Seagulls. Telegraph Sport bottom of page 5.

I am actually wondering what is allowed and what is not.

We all need a sense of humour surely.

With Racism we all know that Black is (properly used) okay but coloured and the N word are no longer acceptable EVER.

But HC is much harder to comprehend I think.
For example ...what about....

Does your boyfriend know you're here? HC?
We can see you holding hands? HC?

For me ... almost a pensioner ... the whole thing is becoming ridiculous.

Discuss. Without anything obviously homophobic.

[Kitman]

Both of your examples are clearly homophobic chants if it helps!

[Feedback]

Both of your examples are clearly homophobic chants if it helps!

why? what if the song is aimed at (i) a female and (ii) a father and young daughter?

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Eh, the new law is skewed in that it's missing intent.

"F*ck you you f*cking f*g" is clearly hatred based upon sexuality, hence an actionable homophobic comment.

Of those two examples in the original post, is there really hatred in there? Not defending those comments, I'd personally not make them but it seems to deal with what is a minor problem in the scheme of things they've used the equivalent of a nuclear bomb.

[J R Hartley]

It's difficult to comprehend what is and isn't acceptable in today's society.

I read this morning that a guy who asked a girl for a kiss on a train has been accused of sexual assault!!!

[AlwaysAway2]

It's difficult to comprehend what is and isn't acceptable in today's society.

I read this morning that a guy who asked a girl for a kiss on a train has been accused of sexual assault!!!

Nice one....where did he want her to kiss him?

[Swbluebird]

It's difficult to comprehend what is and isn't acceptable in today's society.

I read this morning that a guy who asked a girl for a kiss on a train has been accused of sexual assault!!!

I assume this was the story you read? http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartandhp

I'm guessing that tickling a 17 year old girl after she refused to kiss him may have played a role in the accusation too.

[lardy]

I assume this was the story you read? http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews...cid=spartandhp

I'm guessing that tickling a 17 year old girl after she refused to kiss him may have played a role in the accusation too.

Reading that, it doesn't seem quite so difficult to work out what is and isn't acceptable in today's society.

[Feedback]

Reading that, it doesn't seem quite so difficult to work out what is and isn't acceptable in today's society.

is tickling now sexual assault?

[lardy]

is tickling now sexual assault?

Probably not to the extent that stealthily jizzing onto the back of a woman in a nightclub is.

[Kitman]

There has to be gay footballers out there. There just has to be.

Because of the constant jokes about homosexuality they clearly stay well in the closet.

Yes there is no venom or hatred in them like the banana throwing of the 70s, but it's death by a million cuts.

The fact that so far the only gay footballer to come out was 30 odd years ago and ended up killing himself clearly highlights there is a problem here

Arrestible offence is a bit far. To be honest I don't think you should be arrested for anything you say unless it's threats to harm or planning harm

[Dr Lecter]

There has to be gay footballers out there. There just has to be.

Because of the constant jokes about homosexuality they clearly stay well in the closet.

Yes there is no venom or hatred in them like the banana throwing of the 70s, but it's death by a million cuts.

The fact that so far the only gay footballer to come out was 30 odd years ago and ended up killing himself clearly highlights there is a problem here

Arrestible offence is a bit far. To be honest I don't think you should be arrested for anything you say unless it's threats to harm or planning harm

With regards to the whole fashanu thing, there seems to be a bit of history being rewritten these days.

I'm pretty sure his suicide followed him being arrested for the sexual assault of a 17 year old in USA. He fled back to England where he took his own life. His suicide note stated that he figured he wouldn't get a fair trial as he was gay.

I'm not saying he didn't suffer chants and abuse from the terraces but that wasn't the reason he killed himself.

[Croesy Blue]

With regards to the whole fashanu thing, there seems to be a bit of history being rewritten these days.

I'm pretty sure his suicide followed him being arrested for the sexual assault of a 17 year old in USA. He fled back to England where he took his own life. His suicide note stated that he figured he wouldn't get a fair trial as he was gay.

I'm not saying he didn't suffer chants and abuse from the terraces but that wasn't the reason he killed himself.

His own manager (Brian Clough) gave him dogs abuse for it too, I'm sure the arrested contributed but people generally don't kill themselves for one reason.

[Dr Lecter]

His own manager (Brian Clough) gave him dogs abuse for it too, I'm sure the arrested contributed but people generally don't kill themselves for one reason.

Of course not. It's usually a culmination of things going badly wrong to the point where you feel there's no coming back.

I'm just saying that there seems to be a narrative that he killed himself because of abuse from the terraces.

Lot more complex than fans giving him stick - especially when he hadn't been playing for years at the time of his death.

[Croesy Blue]

It's alright lads the 2 pensioners don't think homophobia and racism are an issue, move on it's sorted.

Throwing banans was "harmless banter" less than 30 years ago.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

There has to be gay footballers out there. There just has to be.

Because of the constant jokes about homosexuality they clearly stay well in the closet.

Yes there is no venom or hatred in them like the banana throwing of the 70s, but it's death by a million cuts.

The fact that so far the only gay footballer to come out was 30 odd years ago and ended up killing himself clearly highlights there is a problem here

Arrestible offence is a bit far. To be honest I don't think you should be arrested for anything you say unless it's threats to harm or planning harm

Maybe gay players stay in the "closet" because they realise it's an utter f*cking irrelevance? Why should any footballer have to publicly reveal their sexuality?

Citing Fashanu - this was a guy who can hardly be held up as a semblance of a role model. Making up a story about an MP for money, killing himself when facing trial in Murica for having had sex with a minor.. wasn't a nice person.

[Croesy Blue]

Maybe gay players stay in the "closet" because they realise it's an utter f*cking irrelevance? Why should any footballer have to publicly reveal their sexuality?

Citing Fashanu - this was a guy who can hardly be held up as a semblance of a role model. Making up a story about an MP for money, killing himself when facing trial in Murica for having had sex with a minor.. wasn't a nice person.

Who'd have thought a gay man who had a difficult upbringing and then was thrust into the limelight would have a few mental issues and make bad decisions.

[James fox]

Who'd have thought a gay man who had a difficult upbringing and then was thrust into the limelight would have a few mental issues and make bad decisions.

Poor little lamb.
He killed himself rather than face a trial and Justice in Maryland.
Nothing more.
Nothing Less.

[Dr Lecter]

Maybe gay players stay in the "closet" because they realise it's an utter f*cking irrelevance? Why should any footballer have to publicly reveal their sexuality?

Citing Fashanu - this was a guy who can hardly be held up as a semblance of a role model. Making up a story about an MP for money, killing himself when facing trial in Murica for having had sex with a minor.. wasn't a nice person.

Nearly as nice as his brother John.

Claimed their mother died from the stress of having a gay son.

Gave an interview a week after Justin came out saying he was an outcast.

Still claims to this day that Justin wasn't gay, just an attention seeker.

With support like that it's no wonder the bloke felt like a lost cause.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

Nearly as nice as his brother John.

Claimed their mother died from the stress of having a gay son.

Gave an interview a week after Justin came out saying he was an outcast.

Still claims to this day that Justin wasn't gay, just an attention seeker.

With support like that it's no wonder the bloke felt like a lost cause.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...-my-arch-enemy

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

Maybe gay players stay in the "closet" because they realise it's an utter f*cking irrelevance? Why should any footballer have to publicly reveal their sexuality?

Citing Fashanu - this was a guy who can hardly be held up as a semblance of a role model. Making up a story about an MP for money, killing himself when facing trial in Murica for having had sex with a minor.. wasn't a nice person.

I never knew that about about Fashanu mate
the way he is portrayed now is like hes some kind of squeaky clean role model
when in fact he was a scum bag his sexuality is irrelevant anyones sexuality is
if he was a straight man hed still be a scumbag

[TH63]

I don't know how I feel about this to be honest.

Chanting at a known gay person is wrong, but chants at the Brighton fans is not aimed at anyone specifically. In a similar way, we don't really believe that jacks feast on dead rats.

People in their 50's/60's and 70's come from different times.

Some of the stuff on TV back in the 70's in particular, whilst didn't feel wrong at the time, in today's context would be beyond unacceptable.

It can be difficult for us oldies to keep up to date with what is and isn't acceptable, but we do have to evolve.

[Steve R]

I don't know how I feel about this to be honest.

Chanting at a known gay person is wrong, but chants at the Brighton fans is not aimed at anyone specifically. In a similar way, we don't really believe that jacks feast on dead rats.

People in their 50's/60's and 70's come from different times.

Some of the stuff on TV back in the 70's in particular, whilst didn't feel wrong at the time, in today's context would be beyond unacceptable.

It can be difficult for us oldies to keep up to date with what is and isn't acceptable, but we do have to evolve.

We don't shag sheep either. Well I don't.

[Feedback]

In a similar way, we don't really believe that jacks feast on dead rats.

bollocks

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

The constant , aggressive homophobic abuse dished out to Justin fashanu by our supporters down at Torquay when he played for them was a disgrace and made me ashamed , I always thought our fans were better than that but like feck we were .........thinking back does anyone remember the bananas thrown at the black man city goalkeeper Alex Jenkins ? ........from the canton stand .........it always makes me cringe when Cardiff fans deny there has ever been a racist element among our support ......wankers