Whilst apparently we are very good at Rubbish, as you were.
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Whilst apparently we are very good at Rubbish, as you were.
We always knew this , plus the poor performance of NHS and its unlikely to change along with the ruling Labour Party its with us forever.
Education results have dropped in the rest of the UK as well. Underfunding across the board and a demoralised teaching staff don't help the situation.
We'll have an enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then another enquiry then another enquiry then another enquiry, then another enquiry, then maybe change the system, fall behind even further after a chaotic system change, then another enquiry, then another enquiry, meanwhile the people will still vote for a turd with a red rosette and all because their fathers did before them, and before them, and before them.Originally Posted by Mambo
Shut the feck up u Tory arse lickers
Wales is a poor nation with a history of reliance on heavy industry
Considering that we push well above our weight on so many things despite piss poor funding from the Tory scum in London
****ing shameful blue nosed tarts
Bollocks!!! and I voted for Jezza so stuff that up yer chuffa.
education has been a bloody disaster in Wales for years and years, FACT, you can gloss over it year after year, being taught to add up and take away has feck all to do with heavy industry.
To summrise then , whose fault is it with regards Welsh Education and NHS failures ?
Cuts doesnt have to mean removing workers jobs, it could mean cutting out waste , doing more , cut excessive leave , pensions .
Spot on , I'm my opinion it's not about being thicker, its about not being progressive enough , and seeking better and different ways of working, it's like we are stuck in a political and business time warp. If you speak out or challenge the norm your considered a Tory. Our country is too dependent on public service jobs which are multi layered .
A difficult one to answer as the 3 elections gave them no real power, first was a coalition, second was a small majority, tge last one was a shrunken majority .
The 3 elections have overseen a massive financial crash not of the making, Brexit which was thier making , the disastrous May plan, which is devoid of direction ,the rise and fall of UKIP and the faltering SNP .
In the meantime the opposition staggers from one direction to another to another , ironically sacks anyone with a strong and opposite viewpoint to theirs , democracy eh .
When will the excuses end? Can labour blame pfi on the underfunded mess of a country they were left in 1997? Nope.
Tories chose to bin a majority at the last election in the hope they could crush their opposition (Labour and UKIP). You probably believe they did it because 'the brexit process was being frustrated' despite their being no evidence of this whatsoever.
But Maggie closed the mines so.....
And we got rid of the plague
Its tough for people to accept failure, and even tougher to possible accept thier favoured political party maybe at fault , it's due to blind loyalty .
In a nutshell.
I bet Wales would compare more favourably against a similar region of the UK, like the north east of England for example.
There wouldn't be much surprise if a school in leafy Surrey does better than one in a run down industrial area in Tyneside
I've said the same so many times, wherever 'Wales' is compared with 'England'.
I wouldn't want to defend poor standards in Education, nor failing NHS performance targets etc, etc, but the England/Wales comparison is clearly not like-for-like.
Yet political mileage is wrung from it.
I'm not sure why people want to compare it with any other country, the point was, education standards are failing in Wales and that's concerning, I have no idea why the usual suspects think that spending vast amounts of money are the answer to teaching children to add up and take away, reed and rite and actually turn up for school.
So without comparing to another country, what persuades you that Wales is failing?
Apparently you have deliberately missed the obvious point that was made.
The point is - how can Wales be compared with England? Overall they almost certainly very different, socially, economically, demographics, communications, average earnings, health, wealth etc etc etc..
Now if you compared Wales with a combined area of 'similar-to-Wales' counties - say Derbyshire, Yorkshire, Tyne & Wear and Cumbria, you might get a very different set of results. We might not look so 'behind' after all.
Now lets compare both of those with say : Berkshire, Hertfordshire, Sussex and Surrey...
Again, I don't want to defend poor Education standards - not in Wales, nor anywhere!
It is frustrating to see yet more Wales bashing after employing the usual wholly inaccurate 'comparison' model.
Why is wales in such a state that it ca't be compared to those areas? Who's run it into the ground?
Selective interpretation, I'm not Wales bashing as you put it, but pointing out that, education standards in Wales continual to fall under Welsh Labour, if you are happy with it, then fair doos, Devolution in Wales took place in 1997-1999 and the Welsh assembly has been in Labour control since, the stock response, repeated by their stooges on here is "Blame Westminster and cash starvation" they did try a little swerve last year by putting a Lib Dem in charge of education, Whatever the Labour boyos do, it isn't benefitting the children but the eligible voters still do what their fathers told them, and that is to vote for a turd with a red rosette, I'm a traditional labour voter but Welsh Labour isn't good enough and although would probably go with Dustbin at the next election, would like to see a change of government in Wales, you never know, Wales might prosper because of it and education standards may rise.
I sit near to the team who deal with pupil attendance and in the last few years the approach has changed from working with families to improve attendance to fine fine fine and take them to court if they don't pay - all due to cuts in funding/capacity, the team simply don't have time to do a proper job. I live in England but I would imagine the same can be said of Welsh local authorities since the government drastically reduced funding in this area. This will only get worse with academisation.
There is a massive (and seemingly unrecognised if this thread is anything to go by) correlation between family wealth and pupil attainment. Look at a map of the UK and in general the poorer areas are the lower achieving. There is an even bigger correlation between parents level of education and pupil attainment, effectively what we have is a never ending cycle - until we find some way enhancing the prospects of poorer children.
edit/ I lost my way a bit there. The point I was making is that funding does matter! Resources cost money, motivated staff cost money, school buildings that aren't falling apart cost money, services to catch those who aren't achieving their potential cost money.
Welsh kids have serious amounts of study/learning diverted to the promotion of the Welsh language. Given that time - especially at this age - is of vital importance, isn't it reasonable to expect performance in other subjects to suffer? English kids, effectively, have more lesson time than Welsh kids (in subjects that are not Welsh!) because they are not subject to compulsory Welsh.
Or have I missed something?
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