Reply With QuoteWhat if Fox News reports something that the BBC refuses to report? Are we to conclude that Fox News must be telling lies?Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
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This. The Beeb no doubt has it faults but give me that over shit like Fox News and Sky news.
I like the BBC, there I've said it 👍
What if Fox News reports something that the BBC refuses to report? Are we to conclude that Fox News must be telling lies?
Surely we use common sense on a case-by-case basis, and not blindly believe either might be correct?
"refuses" ? dear me - That's a loaded term - no bias here eh?!
How do we know that the BBC has 'refused' to report something?
BBC might have a number of reasons for not reporting something that FOX has run with.
BBC being deniers due to an apparent agenda being one possibility.
FOX crusading with an apparent agenda might be another.
If person#1 has a FOX-friendly, anti BBC stance, person#1 might view it as 'refused'
Conversely, if person#2 has an anti-FOX, BBC-friendly stance, person#2 might view it as BBC being more 'discerning' with what they report.
Likely neither are allowing themselves the best viewpoint.
In this case, neither of us have access to the info, right? I haven't said Ian is wrong, I've made a suggestion as to why it has happened. Not a conclusion, I clearly said I was theorising. You're the one 'refusing to believe' it.
^ hypothetically speaking
I'm observing this as a neutral and not defending any side, but the media do like to pick a team and then go against the opposition. It's not even consistent, during the past year they have bashed both Corbyn and Trump, who are on opposite sides of the political spectrum.
The evidence in is Ian's attic, along with his eyewitness account.
It definitely includes me, sorry if that bothers you but it's my opinion, I particularly get annoyed about Panorama as it's such an influential programme, they have been caught faking stuff before not just Saving Syria's children, they won an award for Primark: On The Rack which they later had to return when it came to light that the footage of kids sewing in some so called sweat shop were not authentic, why should I trust them?
Blue Peter, Comic Relief and Children in Need were found guilty of faking competition winners, faked polar bear scenes, reversed footage, what else is fake?
These are the same people that broadcast tributes to Jimmy Savile although key managers knew about his dark side, sorry but I'm just not a fan, I could go on but that would mean finding loads of links and I haven't got the time tonight tbh.
I'm sure there are some very nice people who work for the BBC too though.
I thought Jill Dando was nice. Matt is my current favorite.I'm sure there are some very nice people who work for the BBC too though.
It is in Ian's attic, you're following things more closely than I thought
In a nutshell Mrs SIt definitely includes me, sorry if that bothers you but it's my opinion, I particularly get annoyed about Panorama as it's such an influential programme, they have been caught faking stuff before not just Saving Syria's children, they won an award for Primark: On The Rack which they later had to return when it came to light that the footage of kids sewing in some so called sweat shop were not authentic, why should I trust them?
Blue Peter, Comic Relief and Children in Need were found guilty of faking competition winners, faked polar bear scenes, reversed footage, what else is fake?
These are the same people that broadcast tributes to Jimmy Savile although key managers knew about his dark side, sorry but I'm just not a fan, I could go on but that would mean finding loads of links and I haven't got the time tonight tbh.
I'm sure there are some very nice people who work for the BBC too though.
I'd place them on a similar level to advertising, you probably don't want to base all your buying decisions purely on what they are telling you.In a nutshell Mrs S
Yes, I get it.It definitely includes me, sorry if that bothers you but it's my opinion, I particularly get annoyed about Panorama as it's such an influential programme, they have been caught faking stuff before not just Saving Syria's children, they won an award for Primark: On The Rack which they later had to return when it came to light that the footage of kids sewing in some so called sweat shop were not authentic, why should I trust them?
Blue Peter, Comic Relief and Children in Need were found guilty of faking competition winners, faked polar bear scenes, reversed footage, what else is fake?
These are the same people that broadcast tributes to Jimmy Savile although key managers knew about his dark side, sorry but I'm just not a fan, I could go on but that would mean finding loads of links and I haven't got the time tonight tbh.
I'm sure there are some very nice people who work for the BBC too though.
And possibly agree to a large extent.
No, it doesn't 'bother me'! - but you seem to be looking only in one direction.
Again, my point is, other news/info outlets, large or small , they are all at it, or would soon be up for it given the position to do so.
In the UK, no other outlet has (currently) anything like the influence of the BBC.
Nor do any of them have the same mass of history for people to dissect, nor are any of them as 'interesting'' to run the rule over' as the BBC.
'Panorama' - In the UK no other outlet has anything quite like Panorama.
If SKY had 'Panorama' and also had the same following, I'd bet it would likely be just as 'loaded' or worse than the BBC's version.
Do you imagine different?
BBC are part of the 'big brother' machinery. They have been there for over 90 years.
Most of the older-school household names came from, or became so, through the BBC
A long rich history of doing wrongs to draw upon. I wouldn't care to defend any of it.
My own pet hate is Sky/Fox and Murdoch
My personal favourite is Channel 4 News. They are biased, lefty, lying f*ckers mind ..
What about your friends, FOX, Daily Mail and Breitbart et-al - do you like 'what they are telling you' - do you like their advertising? do you base your buying decisions on what they are telling you?
They are only relevant in the Trump thread due to their factual reporting on certain matters, compared to the liberal MSM whose sole agenda is to remove Trump from elected office via dubious means (Russian hacking, etc). I think it was a good choice as they have come out on the right side of the argument.
What about your friends, FOX, Daily Mail and Breitbart et-al - do you like 'what they are telling you' - do you like their advertising? do you base your buying decisions on what they are telling you?
aww you gotta do your research when laying out your hand earned cash
if someone who hasn't got a vested interest in the product you are more likely to believe it like
if a mate buys something and has good reports about it you are more likely to purchase it than if he told you it was alright or had negative things to say lol
When Fox News uses people like Katie Hopkins to spread utter bullshit to heighten fear then I think any credibility they may have even slightly had has gone out of the window.
The bizarre thing about this thread is that if the wpc did actually change her cast then it's the police who are responsible.
Then you would be missing out. Fox News was a very good source to learn about the Russian hacking/Pissgate fairytale. If you are not able to dissect information from multiple sources and put it all together to form a coherent view, then I am afraid you will never truly know what is going on.
In that case, presumably the BBC can be included in the 'multiple sources' , with the same caution that ought to be applied to any information outlet.
Of course. It's also a positive if you know which ones are making things up
It might look that way to you but like I said I have other reasons, I agree that they are all at it but like you said "In the UK no other outlet has anything quite like Panorama." which is all the more reason to keep an eye on them imo, things that they report can change public opinion on very serious issues.
I don't watch ch4 news so I don't know what they are like but I have seen many documentaries on there, their slogan always makes me laugh "Changing perceptions with documentaries on 4"oh they do that alright, thanks to them half of the country now thinks anyone on benefits are scum, all immigrants that come here are instantly offered a council house, couples go out dogging every weekend in silly masks, it's perfectly normal to be an adult baby and wear a nappy or to live your life with a plastic doll or even live your life as a plastic doll, thanks for the perceptions ch4 but you can keep them.
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