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    Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

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    After taking the club from blue to red and back again, have Bluebirds supporters finally forgiven the club's owner?

    Is it time to forgive Vincent Tan?

    Or have most of us Cardiff City fans done that already?

    It was scarf night against Brighton in 2013 that I reached my personal Tan-regime nadir.

    The Cardiff City Stadium was full of red thanks to the free scarves handed out to supporters as they entered the ground. I refused one and sat solemnly through the match, watching us lose 2-0 and looking at my fellow Bluebirds, wondering what had happened to this grand old club.

    We were a winning side that season. But I couldn’t help but feel a nagging sense of sadness, even when thousands swarmed the pitch to celebrate promotion that Tuesday night against Charlton.

    And I knew who I blamed for that discomfort.

    I’d taken a pragmatic approach to red – reasoning that we’d eventually return to blue and I’d be there, way after Vincent Tan had gone, to see that day.

    In the meantime, going down the City was still going down the City. I just had to put up with the, erm, Bluebirds turning out in colours Manchester United or Liverpool would feel more at home wearing.

    For all the pragmatism, the red thing felt weird – improper.

    When fans chanted at us “You’ve sold your history”, I’d inwardly clap them, thinking to myself “Well yes, we have”.

    But success and the chance to see Cardiff City in Premier League was enough to keep me and many others shamefully silent.

    It remained a debate in the family between my brother, father and me: was all this worth it if we get to see City in the Prem? But for me, that’s where it began and ended.

    I understood the feelings of those fans who’d turned their backs on the club, who viewed those of us who still went down as scabs – though I disagreed with their actions as much as they disagreed with mine.

    Tan had come to us with a deal: I’ll turn your club red, in exchange for the kind of success you’ve been crying out for decades.

    We’d swallowed that red pill, some more reluctantly than others, and success was the reward.

    We won the Championship, only the third time in the history of the club that we’d won a league outright.

    History matters in football. It’s part of the mythology.

    I speak as someone who went on the marches against Peter Ridsdale – but has always loyal to the team: I’ve never booed a player, nor a performance – no matter how dire. Having watched City since the mid-80s, that includes some pretty terrible football and woeful players.

    The red issue was bound to come to a head at some point, the moment things on the pitch started to go wrong.

    That came in the particularly sour period when Malky Mackay and Vincent Tan were in a standoff and the fans passionately backed Mackay.

    “Don’t sack Mackay,” we sang to Tan – ignorant of the allegations to come and oblivious to the irony that we’d become more impassioned and united about a manager than we were about the colours of the club.

    But it was this moment which galvanised and united supporters over the colours and, ultimately, tacit reconciliation between fans and Tan.

    After Mackay left, a period of particularly dire football followed and with it the appointment of arguably three of the worse Bluebirds managers ever – maybe marginally better than Russell Osman and Alan Durban. But only maybe.

    With each dour Russell Slade performance, it felt as though Tan was punishing us for wanting our team to play in blue.

    Every insipid game played out before ever-dwindling crowds was a statement about our place in the Cardiff City reality, and his.

    Well, that’s what you could assume. What else was there to think when things seemed so bleak?

    Amid a Football League transfer embargo, we had Alex Revell leading our line for goodness sake.

    But perhaps all this was part of a Vincent Tan grand plan.

    Because the sacking of Paul Trollope last season and the appointment of Neil Warnock has proved nothing more than a masterstroke, in public relations and football terms.

    It’s academic whether it’s Tan or chairman Mehmet Dalman who can take the credit for bringing in Warnock. Because ultimately it is Tan who gave the appointment the go ahead and it is Tan who’s given Warnock freedom in the transfer market.

    And what a summer transfer window we have just had, 10 new signings to bolster a team already boasting the likes of Kenneth Zohore, Bruno Manga, Sol Bamba, Aron Gunnarsson and our skipper Sean Morrison.

    Warnock’s arrival at the Cardiff City Stadium is proof, if any is needed, that the most important person in a football club is its manager.

    From him has come a sense of ambition and self-confidence; a realisation that we are Cardiff City and we are at our best when we’re fighting as underdogs – no pretty tiki-taka football, but gritty, determined and direct play.

    With Warnock has come a passion that has been lacking since Mackay’s departure.

    There is an excitement at the club that we’ve not had since our many trips to Wembley; since our Sam Hammam promotions; since the great Eddie May era.

    What has all this meant for my view on Tan?

    Well, he brought back the blue, invested in the team, showed commitment with the appointment of Warnock – he’s doing the things a steady-as-you-go owner does.

    The fact that Kenneth Zohore remains a City player after so much speculation through the transfer window has only gone to make Tan look even more benevolent.

    We still have a Cardiff City Football Club to support and we still play in blue. That’s enough to be grateful for to me.

    It must have been difficult for Vincent Tan coming into an alien culture so entwined and embedded in community, tribalism – colour.

    How could he ever have understood how fans would feel when he changed us from royal blue to his favourite scarlet red?

    So here’s my opening question again, posed slightly differently: have we forgiven Tan?

    I think we probably have as we cheer such vintage football right now, even if we might not care to admit it.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    I was a reluctant red from the off, as I could see the bigger picture and well remember the club encircled by the HMRC vultures, dangling their winding up orders and court appearances. We really were up shi*t creek back then, and not for the first time.

    Amid that backdrop, the red for investment was for me, a necesary evil to keep the club alive for myself, my kids and my potential grandkids.

    I always felt it would be a temporary thing, therefore I simply couldn't let myself get too worked up about it.

    Several years on, we're back in Blue, sit top of the league with five wins from five, have a wealthy owner who now seems to have understood the football culture, have had the best ever transfer window (both in and out) and possess vast footballing knowledge throughout the club.

    I personally couldn't be happier with the way things have turned out and have great hope for the future.

    In answer to the original question - I haven't forgiven Tan. Largely as I didn't accuse him in the first place.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arfur Europe View Post
    I was a reluctant red from the off, as I could see the bigger picture and well remember the club encircled by the HMRC vultures, dangling their winding up orders and court appearances. We really were up shi*t creek back then, and not for the first time.

    Amid that backdrop, the red for investment was for me, a necesary evil to keep the club alive for myself, my kids and my potential grandkids.

    I always felt it would be a temporary thing, therefore I simply couldn't let myself get too worked up about it.

    Several years on, we're back in Blue, sit top of the league with five wins from five, have a wealthy owner who now seems to have understood the football culture, have had the best ever transfer window (both in and out) and possess vast footballing knowledge throughout the club.

    I personally couldn't be happier with the way things have turned out and have great hope for the future.

    In answer to the original question - I haven't forgiven Tan. Largely as I didn't accuse him in the first place.
    This was my thoughts aswell

    red was a a necessary evil to keep the club from following Newport, Portsmouth, Wrexham etc etc as it happens, Pompey have found a saviour to push them on again, but plenty of other clubs dont

    Yes red wasnt great, but neither was the other option

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Would someone care to explain why I still see the occasional red scarf at the CCS?

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Would someone care to explain why I still see the occasional red scarf at the CCS?
    It's because Wales are playing mate.

    Happy to help.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Forgiven him for what?
    I dont need to forgive him. He did what he thought in his tiny bubble was the right thing for him and his latest toy.
    Not a case of forgiving him for me ..... i just dont respect him and show him as much contempt as he showed our club and its supporters.
    When he pops his clogs the club will still be here

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    I think he has learnt about pride and culture within British football, they don't have such a culture in Asia, people will often follow a player there and support him whoever he plays for. Give me Warnock and in blue anyway over Malkys dour football in red.....I don't go much these days but I haven't for years even before the rebrand or hammams reign......

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by chepstow View Post
    Forgiven him for what?
    I dont need to forgive him. He did what he thought in his tiny bubble was the right thing for him and his latest toy.
    Not a case of forgiving him for me ..... i just dont respect him and show him as much contempt as he showed our club and its supporters.
    When he pops his clogs the club will still be here
    Well said, last sentence, let's hope he does leave a football club behind.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Would someone care to explain why I still see the occasional red scarf at the CCS?
    Is it because you got that one big ol' red eye?

  10. #10

    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Ive never had a problem with him he's done well by us ,kept us afloat in stormy financial times, the red thing was a strange one, but not strange enough for me to turn my back on my club

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Ive never had a problem with him he's done well by us ,kept us afloat in stormy financial times, the red thing was a strange one, but not strange enough for me to turn my back on my club
    a man who talks sense

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Collectively, the Cardiff City supporters were not upset by the rebrand, and Tan was "forgiven" as soon as Cardiff played and beat Huddersfield on the opening day of 2012-13. A sea of red at a game a few months later showed that the fans were, collectively, happy with Tan's vandalism.

    Fans wearing the traditional blue colours were verbally abused during games, in particular that game against Brighton.

    The only thing you collectively didn't forgive Tan for was relegation.

    Me, I cannot forgive someone until they apologise. He doesn't think he's done anything wrong. Can't stand him, but at least I am not fickle.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Fans wearing the traditional blue colours were verbally abused during games, in particular that game against Brighton.
    BOLLOCKS

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    BOLLOCKS
    I agree.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    BOLLOCKS
    Sad to say I witnessed first hand an admittedly small minority of people who were verbally abusing people who were waving blue flags

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Sad to say I witnessed first hand an admittedly small minority of people who were verbally abusing people who were waving blue flags
    If anyone was getting abused it was the people in red

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamieccfc View Post
    If anyone was getting abused it was the people in red
    That happened too.

    Hardly our finest hour

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    BOLLOCKS
    It really isn't.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arfur Europe View Post
    I was a reluctant red from the off, as I could see the bigger picture and well remember the club encircled by the HMRC vultures, dangling their winding up orders and court appearances. We really were up shi*t creek back then, and not for the first time.

    Amid that backdrop, the red for investment was for me, a necesary evil to keep the club alive for myself, my kids and my potential grandkids.

    I always felt it would be a temporary thing, therefore I simply couldn't let myself get too worked up about it.

    Several years on, we're back in Blue, sit top of the league with five wins from five, have a wealthy owner who now seems to have understood the football culture, have had the best ever transfer window (both in and out) and possess vast footballing knowledge throughout the club.

    I personally couldn't be happier with the way things have turned out and have great hope for the future.

    In answer to the original question - I haven't forgiven Tan. Largely as I didn't accuse him in the first place.
    Things were not as bad as you portray them to have been. TG was steadying the ship and was keeping the wolves from the door, and was giving a good chief executive freedom to bring in someone like Mackay.

    Then Tan got involved.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    This was my thoughts aswell

    red was a a necessary evil to keep the club from following Newport, Portsmouth, Wrexham etc etc as it happens, Pompey have found a saviour to push them on again, but plenty of other clubs dont

    Yes red wasnt great, but neither was the other option
    The other option being TG running the club without Tan coming on board? Or have you also forgotten about the period between Ridsdale and Tab.

    Red was unnecessary, and I am grateful that the episode means I don't get to share a stadium with a group of fickle apologists who put success over tradition.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    The other option being TG running the club without Tan coming on board? Or have you also forgotten about the period between Ridsdale and Tab.

    .
    that was a very short term solution as i am not sure TG had the money, he would have had to have someone with money behind him

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    that was a very short term solution as i am not sure TG had the money, he would have had to have someone with money behind him
    He was paying the bills though, and the wages. And, he had given Mackay enough money to assemble an interesting young team that reached a major final at Wembley. Tony Clemo he was not.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blooburd View Post
    a man who talks sense
    Ask Vincent Tan whose club it is.

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    Ask Vincent Tan whose club it is.
    I would hope he see's the club as his...I think you have a serious issue understanding the difference between supporting/following something and actually owning it. I can't imagine what you must be like on Instagram!

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    Re: Have Cardiff City fans forgiven Vincent Tan without realising it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blooburd View Post
    I would hope he see's the club as his...I think you have a serious issue understanding the difference between supporting/following something and actually owning it. I can't imagine what you must be like on Instagram!
    I'm not dense enough to be on Instagram.

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