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    Religion on the wane in the UK...

    For the first time, more than half of people in the UK do not identify as religious, a survey suggests.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792
    Another step towards civilization. The God myth is so absurd, I'm more amazed at how many do still believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    For the first time, more than half of people in the UK do not identify as religious, a survey suggests.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792
    Another step towards civilization. The God myth is so absurd, I'm more amazed at how many do still believe.
    “Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    For the first time, more than half of people in the UK do not identify as religious, a survey suggests.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792
    Another step towards civilization. The God myth is so absurd, I'm more amazed at how many do still believe.
    Religion was never free choice and merely an instrument of indoctrination. That's why, of all the thousands of gods in history, people tended to believe in the one their parents believed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Religion was never free choice and merely an instrument of indoctrination. That's why, of all the thousands of gods in history, people tended to believe in the one their parents believed in.
    It's a little bit odd that ain't it?

    My mother was quite upset when I told her I was a non-believer, and in the end I had to tell a white lie when she asked me if I believe we will "all be together when we die".

    Which, in my opinion, points to why religion exists. A lot of people struggle to come to terms with their own mortality, that it doesn't last for ever. I struggled with it for a long time as I tried to shake off the chains of indoctrination.

    My mother was also fearful that, as a non believer, I would somehow lose any moral compass I had. I merely pointed her to the stories of catholic priests who abused young children and she said "yes, but they are the priests that don't believe in God!".

    I didn't come from a particularly religious background, but I remember being petrified that I was going to burn in hell for the multitude of sins that I had unwittingly committed as a teenage boy. It's in such an environment that these "men of God" are able to commit such heinous crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    It's a little bit odd that ain't it?

    My mother was quite upset when I told her I was a non-believer, and in the end I had to tell a white lie when she asked me if I believe we will "all be together when we die".

    Which, in my opinion, points to why religion exists. A lot of people struggle to come to terms with their own mortality, that it doesn't last for ever. I struggled with it for a long time as I tried to shake off the chains of indoctrination.

    My mother was also fearful that, as a non believer, I would somehow lose any moral compass I had. I merely pointed her to the stories of catholic priests who abused young children and she said "yes, but they are the priests that don't believe in God!".

    I didn't come from a particularly religious background, but I remember being petrified that I was going to burn in hell for the multitude of sins that I had unwittingly committed as a teenage boy. It's in such an environment that these "men of God" are able to commit such heinous crimes.
    There's a difference between wanking over the bra section in the Gratton catalogue and blowing up innocent children in the name of god

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    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    There's a difference between wanking over the bra section in the Gratton catalogue and blowing up innocent children in the name of god
    It was Escort, only the nudies would do it for me.

    Of course there is a difference. I respect all religions to a point, providing those religions don't impact on my quality of life. I'll donate to church funds, because it's a community thing despite the fact that I see it as nothing more than a myth.

    The thing is, nearly all religions instill fear in their followers, and they also promise an ever lasting life. Very powerful tools to get people to do all sorts of things - not all of them wholesome.

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    Re: Religion on the wane in the UK...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    It's a little bit odd that ain't it?

    My mother was quite upset when I told her I was a non-believer, and in the end I had to tell a white lie when she asked me if I believe we will "all be together when we die".

    Which, in my opinion, points to why religion exists. A lot of people struggle to come to terms with their own mortality, that it doesn't last for ever. I struggled with it for a long time as I tried to shake off the chains of indoctrination.

    My mother was also fearful that, as a non believer, I would somehow lose any moral compass I had. I merely pointed her to the stories of catholic priests who abused young children and she said "yes, but they are the priests that don't believe in God!".

    I didn't come from a particularly religious background, but I remember being petrified that I was going to burn in hell for the multitude of sins that I had unwittingly committed as a teenage boy. It's in such an environment that these "men of God" are able to commit such heinous crimes.
    Most believers have no idea that many of the stories in their so-called holy books came from earlier religions and as to how and when the latest compendium of stories were arbitrarily chosen and by whom.

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    My parents used to send me and my brothers to Sunday school when we were little. I always wondered why we had to go and they didnt - especially as they weren't religious at all and never taught us about Jesus and stuff.

    Looking back now it's obvious that they just packed us off so they could indulge in some afternoon delight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    My parents used to send me and my brothers to Sunday school when we were little. I always wondered why we had to go and they didnt - especially as they weren't religious at all and never taught us about Jesus and stuff.

    Looking back now it's obvious that they just packed us off so they could indulge in some afternoon delight.
    we just set fire to our Sunday school hut so we no longer had to go

    We were taught in a catholic school all week Sunday is a day of rest then we had to go to church, followed by Sunday school. WTF?!?

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    If Jesus had been born and died in modern times, religious types would have to wear miniature electric chairs or guillotines around their necks instead of gold crucifixes, and people who experience stigmata would not bleed from their hands and feet, they would violently shake with their hair standing on end and smoking, or their heads would fall off.

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    Religion is a man-made method of control favoured by the rulers for thousands of years. The winding down of religion began in the 60's with the introduction of the contraceptive pill, drugs, the "devils" music, free love, etc. Was it a coincidence it happened this way, or was it planned? Who knows, but the people today have been conditioned to reject religion, the same as people up to the 50's were conditioned to accept religion. There may be some overlap, as things of this magnitude take many generations to complete.

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    Re: Religion on the wane in the UK...

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Most believers have no idea that many of the stories in their so-called holy books came from earlier religions and as to how and when the latest compendium of stories were arbitrarily chosen and by whom.
    I suspect that a number of stories have altered over the years too.

    A friend of mine once told me a story (I can't verify the truthfulness of the story, but knowing the story teller I think it's highly likely to be true) of an American and his wife (both white) who went to Japan to work. Both were devoutly religious.

    Anyway, after a few months, the wife became pregnant and, lo and behold, when she gave birth she gave birth to a mixed-race child.

    The husband insisted to my friend that he was the father, and he gave a story about some bloke in the Bible who worked on a farm and fell in love with the owner's daughter.

    The owner disapproved of the relationship, and would only allow the farm hand to marry his daughter if he worked on the farm without any pay. The farm hand did that, and so the father allowed him to marry one of his daughters, but not the one he wanted.

    He protested, and the owner again set him some challenge and again the farm hand completed the challenge and so the father allowed him to marry the daughter that the farm hand had fallen for.

    The father forced the boy to continue working on the farm, but promised him that any speckled sheep he reared would be his. All the sheep were white. So, the farmhand spent his time forcing the sheep to look at speckled objects (I think it was trees) and, boom, one day a sheep gave birth to a speckled sheep and another and another. And, fairly soon, the farm hand had a whole flock of speckled sheep.

    So, the American reasoned that his wife had spent the past year looking at nothing other than the Japanese locals and that explained why "his" son was of mixed race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I suspect that a number of stories have altered over the years too.

    A friend of mine once told me a story (I can't verify the truthfulness of the story, but knowing the story teller I think it's highly likely to be true) of an American and his wife (both white) who went to Japan to work. Both were devoutly religious.

    Anyway, after a few months, the wife became pregnant and, lo and behold, when she gave birth she gave birth to a mixed-race child.

    The husband insisted to my friend that he was the father, and he gave a story about some bloke in the Bible who worked on a farm and fell in love with the owner's daughter.

    The owner disapproved of the relationship, and would only allow the farm hand to marry his daughter if he worked on the farm without any pay. The farm hand did that, and so the father allowed him to marry one of his daughters, but not the one he wanted.

    He protested, and the owner again set him some challenge and again the farm hand completed the challenge and so the father allowed him to marry the daughter that the farm hand had fallen for.

    The father forced the boy to continue working on the farm, but promised him that any speckled sheep he reared would be his. All the sheep were white. So, the farmhand spent his time forcing the sheep to look at speckled objects (I think it was trees) and, boom, one day a sheep gave birth to a speckled sheep and another and another. And, fairly soon, the farm hand had a whole flock of speckled sheep.

    So, the American reasoned that his wife had spent the past year looking at nothing other than the Japanese locals and that explained why "his" son was of mixed race.
    Mixed race you say, pretty sure that term is now offensive to someone on here shocking

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    Mixed race you say, pretty sure that term is now offensive to someone on here shocking
    I'm fairly certain it isn't, but if it gives you the opportunity to decry political correctness at an inappropriate time, be my guest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I'm fairly certain it isn't, but if it gives you the opportunity to decry political correctness at an inappropriate time, be my guest.
    It's far more offensive than gender identity labels on clothes, which is pretty darn offensive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's far more offensive than gender identity labels on clothes, which is pretty darn offensive!
    Oh yeah, I see where this post is heading. You'll be calling me a man/bloke/male soon enough. You people make me sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    “Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.”
    don't you just love George Carlin brother

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    Re: Religion on the wane in the UK...

    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    For the first time, more than half of people in the UK do not identify as religious, a survey suggests.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41150792
    Another step towards civilization. The God myth is so absurd, I'm more amazed at how many do still believe.

    https://youtu.be/HA55jGyq2C8

    something of interest brother

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    Re: Religion on the wane in the UK...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    “Tell people there's an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority will believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.”
    It's because the paint is real while religion is a story. Humans are inclined believe in stories before reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Religion is a man-made method of control favoured by the rulers for thousands of years. The winding down of religion began in the 60's with the introduction of the contraceptive pill, drugs, the "devils" music, free love, etc. Was it a coincidence it happened this way, or was it planned? Who knows, but the people today have been conditioned to reject religion, the same as people up to the 50's were conditioned to accept religion. There may be some overlap, as things of this magnitude take many generations to complete.
    Interesting point. Tbh there are religious people who follow religion like a drug and this gives them tunnel vision and also those who use it to big up their egos by thinking they are a better person coz they don't "sin". Personally I follow religion coz Pascal's Wager but I ain't really devout as I realise that religion has been used to divide and rule and much of modern 'religion' has been distorted from it's original form

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    Quote Originally Posted by adz-a32 View Post
    Interesting point. Tbh there are religious people who follow religion like a drug and this gives them tunnel vision and also those who use it to big up their egos by thinking they are a better person coz they don't "sin". Personally I follow religion coz Pascal's Wager but I ain't really devout as I realise that religion has been used to divide and rule and much of modern 'religion' has been distorted from it's original form
    I'm still a spiritual person, and often ponder the history of the universe, but I think it's fair to say that many religions have been coopted by bad people and used for their own ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I'm still a spiritual person, and often ponder the history of the universe, but I think it's fair to say that many religions have been coopted by bad people and used for their own ends.
    Yep... wolf in sheep's clothing springs to mind

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    Sun, drugs and sex. The worship of any or all of which are the true source of every religion and indeed evolution of mankind. Appeal to authority fallacy presented by witch doctors, shaman and priests have been usurped by scientists to explain the mysteries of the universe.

    Humans are still animals driven by base instincts to survive and form relationships, community for mutual protection. Those who have the most power have the most fear and exert the most control over free will. As a method to control free thought, religion was and still is that yoke.

    A god or not, one day soon we'll all be extinct and the planet will be better for it in the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kris View Post
    I suspect that a number of stories have altered over the years too.

    A friend of mine once told me a story (I can't verify the truthfulness of the story, but knowing the story teller I think it's highly likely to be true) of an American and his wife (both white) who went to Japan to work. Both were devoutly religious.

    Anyway, after a few months, the wife became pregnant and, lo and behold, when she gave birth she gave birth to a mixed-race child.

    The husband insisted to my friend that he was the father, and he gave a story about some bloke in the Bible who worked on a farm and fell in love with the owner's daughter.

    The owner disapproved of the relationship, and would only allow the farm hand to marry his daughter if he worked on the farm without any pay. The farm hand did that, and so the father allowed him to marry one of his daughters, but not the one he wanted.

    He protested, and the owner again set him some challenge and again the farm hand completed the challenge and so the father allowed him to marry the daughter that the farm hand had fallen for.

    The father forced the boy to continue working on the farm, but promised him that any speckled sheep he reared would be his. All the sheep were white. So, the farmhand spent his time forcing the sheep to look at speckled objects (I think it was trees) and, boom, one day a sheep gave birth to a speckled sheep and another and another. And, fairly soon, the farm hand had a whole flock of speckled sheep.

    So, the American reasoned that his wife had spent the past year looking at nothing other than the Japanese locals and that explained why "his" son was of mixed race.

    Reminds me of the story of a white missionary who went to an isolated tribe in Africa.
    Nearly a year fter he arrived, a young black female gave birth to a "pale" baby.
    Outraged, the chief called the missionary for an explanation.
    Thinking quickly, the missionary pointed to the sheep the tribe kept.
    " you see that most sheep are white, but occasionally, one is born with a black face"
    "ok", said the chief "I not tell if you not tell"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ring_Peace View Post
    Sun, drugs and sex. The worship of any or all of which are the true source of every religion and indeed evolution of mankind. Appeal to authority fallacy presented by witch doctors, shaman and priests have been usurped by scientists to explain the mysteries of the universe.

    Humans are still animals driven by base instincts to survive and form relationships, community for mutual protection. Those who have the most power have the most fear and exert the most control over free will. As a method to control free thought, religion was and still is that yoke.

    A god or not, one day soon we'll all be extinct and the planet will be better for it in the long term.
    A work colleague's Nan rang to tell him she'd become a Quaker over the weekend because she enjoys the company.

    He thought she'd run off to some kind of Moonie Cult. But it sounds like probably just wanted people to talk to and have a cup of tea with.

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