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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    It's part of a bigger picture, black players are very often talked about in terms of their physicality rather than intelligence, guile or elan, whereas the same disparity doesn't exist for white players.

    Also think back to when Naby Keita looked likely to join Liverpool in the summer, a bunch of journalists scrabbling around for a comparison went for variously "the next Ngolo Kanye" or occasionally "the next Yaya Toure" , neither player being a particularly good match for the type of player Keita is. A white player who was a better match was never suggested.
    That's not to say that the journalists involved were any more racist than anyone else in the country, but that all of us probably still carry some hangups from less enlightened times. We too readily consider black and white people to be stereotypically different, and the songs about Lukakus member perpetuate that.

    I don't find it particularly offensive personally, but I can see where people are coming from
    Hey, we agree on something! And you put it into words a lot better than I can.

    LK, Sanchez was called a destroyer in the link I posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    Any stereotype is bad?

    How so?

    If I was a black man and it was assumed that I had a massive nob then I'd say that's pretty good.
    Doesn't work all the time tho.

    Some cars won't get into many garages.
    (mine's a 4x4 by the way...not a euphemism!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...yrics-11198902

    Would it be offensive if he was white?
    'Scoring all the goals'

    OMG, they can't say that!

    What are they trying to say? That he scores goals just because he's black? Just because he can run faster than whites because he's black.

    Offensive and discriminatory. Lock the racist bastards up.

  4. #4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve R View Post
    'Scoring all the goals'

    OMG, they can't say that!

    What are they trying to say? That he scores goals just because he's black? Just because he can run faster than whites because he's black.

    Offensive and discriminatory. Lock the racist bastards up.
    They'll be labelling him a destroyer next.

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    I think people struggle to see this as racist because they see racism as being intentionally unkind or derogatory.
    With the Lukaku chant, many people see that as a compliment, so they don't see that as being racist and they certainly wouldn't consider themselves as racist. These are nice people, who just happen to have lived their entire lives within a culture where it is the norm to portray black people as animalistic powerful and Brutish and white people as intelligent and civilized.
    It is tings like this that probably contribute to the ridiculously small numbers of black managers in the game.

  6. #6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I think people struggle to see this as racist because they see racism as being intentionally unkind or derogatory.
    With the Lukaku chant, many people see that as a compliment, so they don't see that as being racist and they certainly wouldn't consider themselves as racist. These are nice people, who just happen to have lived their entire lives within a culture where it is the norm to portray black people as animalistic powerful and Brutish and white people as intelligent and civilized.
    It is tings like this that probably contribute to the ridiculously small numbers of black managers in the game.
    That rapidly has changed/is changing.

    Look at the music scene kids grow up listening to now

    "British and white people as intelligent and civilized"

    I would ask how white British people have been portrayed in the media over the past year.

    Working class people being abused continously over the brexit vote.

    The ST Georges flag abused so much it can't even be flown without cries of nationalism

    It is a fact abuse of any kind aimed at black or non whites has a separate set of rules to the rest. It is taken far more seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    I think people struggle to see this as racist because they see racism as being intentionally unkind or derogatory.
    With the Lukaku chant, many people see that as a compliment, so they don't see that as being racist and they certainly wouldn't consider themselves as racist. These are nice people, who just happen to have lived their entire lives within a culture where it is the norm to portray black people as animalistic powerful and Brutish and white people as intelligent and civilized.
    It is tings like this that probably contribute to the ridiculously small numbers of black managers in the game.
    If this is deliberate, I'm tipping my hat to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    If this is deliberate, I'm tipping my hat to you.

  9. #9

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    Are we not allowed to sing about Nathan Blake anymore? Not because he's black but because we might offend any non-black robbers of fruit machines?

  10. #10

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloop View Post
    Are we not allowed to sing about Nathan Blake anymore? Not because he's black but because we might offend any non-black robbers of fruit machines?
    Or even generous robbers of fruit machines.

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    Re: More people being offended.

    A guy is walking past a driveway and sees a Jamaican putting up a sign that reads "Boat for sale." The man looks but all he can see is a car and a caravan so he says to the Jamaican, 'On that sign it says Boat for Sale' but all I can see is a car and a caravan?'
    The Jamaican replies, 'Yes, and dey boat for sale!'

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    Re: More people being offended.

    He may be hung like a baby carrot and this song gives him a confidence boost on the pitch.
    Kick it out could ruin his career..

  13. #13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
    He may be hung like a baby carrot and this song gives him a confidence boost on the pitch.
    Kick it out could ruin his career..
    On the other hand, the Stick it out campaign will be happy with this

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    Thought I'd throw this in to the mix, is cotton racist?



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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...yrics-11198902

    Would it be offensive if he was white?

    i really do not see what is so offensive
    and the fact its chanted to a stone roses tune makes it a classic even if it is man utd lol

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    You don't think saying an African guys' job is Elephant Washer is even slightly racist?
    No

  17. #17

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    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    No
    ^THIS

    When I picture an Elephant washer, I am thinking of an Indian midget with a long broom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi View Post
    ^THIS

    When I picture an Elephant washer, I am thinking of an Indian midget with a long broom.
    What if it's an African elephant though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    What if it's an African elephant though?
    Fekin lil injun imigants steeelin jobbs.

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    What if it's an African elephant though?
    Lukaku is from Belgium you racist

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    What if it's an African elephant though?
    It's a long broom

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rjk View Post
    It dates from a time when black people were commonly portrayed as being more bestial or animalistic than white people, and it often goes hand in hand with other negative stereotypes like aggression or intelligence.
    There were (probably entirely unintentional) undertones of this in the summer with the Lukaku Vs Morata debate, with Lukaku being described as powerful and Morata as intelligent.

    In a lot of cases black men probably don't mind this particular stereotype, but it originated from justification to treat black people as second class citizens.
    Morata has better movement in between the lines to find space whereas lukaku's game is more about a physical presence. It doesn't have to have racist undertones and using one characteristic to say this is what a player is is lazy football analysis rather than discriminatory.

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    Morata has better movement in between the lines to find space whereas lukaku's game is more about a physical presence. It doesn't have to have racist undertones and using one characteristic to say this is what a player is is lazy football analysis rather than discriminatory.
    How about "Lukaku is not intelligent enough to play for Chelsea". As a prominent former player rather clumsily put it recently

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    Thought I'd throw this in to the mix, is cotton racist?


    Lolz. How low can I.Q. and virtue signalling get?

    Some people need to be wrapped in cotton wool.

    Then chucked in a gulag.

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    Re: More people being offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    Lolz. How low can I.Q. and virtue signalling get?

    Some people need to be wrapped in cotton wool.

    Then chucked in a gulag.

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