Sadiq Kahn calls for second EU referendum

[Rjk]

According to a model I saw the other day, even if nobody had changed their mind then a second referendum help after 2021 would return a remain result, due to far higher death rate in leavers.

[Wales-Bales]

Thank you Mr Khan for showing my Brexit analysis was correct

[Rjk]

Potential scenario:

Negotiations (continue to) go badly.
Looks like Britain will pay a very high price.
The pound tanks so it is pegged to the euro as a "temporary measure" to ensure stability while the brexit process continues.
At the end of negotiations Britain holds another referendum which is in favour of remain.

After a few years of a 1:1 exchange rate with the euro we decide to officially adopt it, as what's the difference.

[Wales-Bales]

Or maybe we become the 51st State

[Rjk]

Or maybe we become the 51st State

I know which I'd prefer

[Wales-Bales]

I know which I'd prefer

Communism or Capitalism?

[Rjk]

Communism or Capitalism?

Communism?

[Wales-Bales]

Communism?

Communism of Socialism, or whatever you want to call it that Merkel and the EU are trying to create.

[life on mars]

Communism of Socialism, or whatever you want to call it that Merkel and the EU are trying to create.

Think it's called Euro Socialist Liberalism, with a whiff of Champagne guilt .

[Rjk]

Communism of Socialism, or whatever you want to call it that Merkel and the EU are trying to create.

Weren't you the same guy who was telling us that the EU was beholden to big businesses only a few months ago

[Rjk]

What if he doiesnt get the result he wants then - will he be asking for a 3rd referendum just to make sure.
What's to stop people who voted for Brexit asking for a 3rd referendum - as it would be 1 - 1 so best of of 3 surely ?

There was a discussion, we had a vote and we had a result - whether that was right or wrong is irrelevant. A decision was made.

It's just good practice to be honest.
I run major change projects, and if one isn't panning out the way you expected the best thing is to pull the plug, not battle on because you said you would do it.

For example if you and the Mrs decide you want to build an extension, and you reckon it'll cost you 10k and add 25k to the value of your house.

Then when you get a builder in it turns out that was just fantasy, and it'll really cost 40 k and add 10k to the value of the house.
At that point you reassess, and decide if you really want to go through with it.
You wouldn't say - no we've made the decision now, so we are doing it no matter what.

[lardy]

What if he doiesnt get the result he wants then - will he be asking for a 3rd referendum just to make sure.
What's to stop people who voted for Brexit asking for a 3rd referendum - as it would be 1 - 1 so best of of 3 surely ?

There was a discussion, we had a vote and we had a result - whether that was right or wrong is irrelevant. A decision was made.

Edited. Ignore.

[itkman]

What if he doiesnt get the result he wants then - will he be asking for a 3rd referendum just to make sure.
What's to stop people who voted for Brexit asking for a 3rd referendum - as it would be 1 - 1 so best of of 3 surely ?

There was a discussion, we had a vote and we had a result - whether that was right or wrong is irrelevant. A decision was made.

That's not what he's saying. He's saying have a referendum on the actually facts once the the deal has been agreed so that the public actually now what they're voting for, rather than what's been written onto a red bus.

[Mrs Steve R]

I know which I'd prefer

[Wales-Bales]

Weren't you the same guy who was telling us that the EU was beholden to big businesses only a few months ago

Yes, the IMF, banks and big corporations.

[life on mars]

There won't be a second vote, old Sadiq feels safe spouting this mantra as he only has to appeal to his London electorate,who were in the main remainers, if he were just a run of the mill Labour MP , he'd be falling in line with the Labour leadership policy on Europe, which is clearly defined 🤔🤔or is it , never mind no plan David Davies, can't see much clarity from any party .

Let's be fair worse case scenario, we take an awful 5 to 10 years hit , we repair ourselves slowly , which is achievable as our GDP is the ‎5th‎ in the world and our‎ (PPP)‎ places us at 9th.

We end with better border controls, make our own decesions on law , which to be fair we have managed very well over the centuries.

[CardiffIrish2]

We've had 7 years of austerity as our beloved masters have told us was needed.
Yes we needed to manage the books better.
But I think it's a bit flippant to say 5-10 years we'll be alright. That's a hell of a long time to go through more economic turbulence for an end result that isn't the golden utopia some seem to think will be.

[life on mars]

We've had 7 years of austerity as our beloved masters have told us was needed.
Yes we needed to manage the books better.
But I think it's a bit flippant to say 5-10 years we'll be alright. That's a hell of a long time to go through more economic turbulence for an end result that isn't the golden utopia some seem to think will be.

I'm not suggesting its austerity is needed the 5-10 relates to negotiations into new markets , the effects of not being in the Eurozone ,it's more about settling into a new way of working , business leaving, less reliance on eastern european workers , you can't just leave and pick up the fall out quickly we are talking about serious global markets , currencies and trade, I never mentioned austerity.

[Wales-Bales]

I dont want to change the thread into an austerity thread. But it makes me laugh when people say anti austerity - exactly how?

I dont want to change the thread into a financial collapse thread, but what about the death of the petrodollar? The impending collapse has been put off for a number of years now, so what will austerity and deficits mean when the dollar finally implodes?

[joecity]

I dont want to change the thread into an austerity thread. But it makes me laugh when people say anti austerity - exactly how?

Every year we spend more than we raise in tax - the difference is called a deficit - and if at the end of the year we cant pay off the annual deficit - then it gets added to the national debt. The debt has to be paid off - or we get down graded on credit worthyness.

So if you are anti austerity - does that mean you will spend less (cuts..) in order to reduce the deficit ? , does it mean you will raise taxes to reduce the deficit ? or does it mean the Govt will spend more in the hope that the economy grows, so we get more tax and the deficit is reduced ? - which one is it for you ?

Hollande in France tried to spend his way out of it - and became unstuck so quickly within a year he had changed his mind.

You cant really be anti austerity - but you can have a flavour of austerity based on the options above

Austerity point taken.. Tory slogan of ' We are all in it together' just means some of us 'are more in it than others' austerity would be fine across the board but it's not. It is morally wrong to squeeze the pips out of the less well off whilst banks just quantative ease themselves out the sh*t. Print more money to pass among them selves.The trickle down Reganomic model doesn't work. Cause they don't give a f*ck. Deluded to believe otherwise.