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  1. #41

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    Henenessey
    Gunter Williams Chester Davies
    Allen Ledley
    Woodburn Ramsey Brooks/Hal
    Vokes

  2. #42

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    I've seen nothing in Tom Lawrence that excites me, unlike Brooks and Woodburn.
    I thought he was pretty anonymous for Derby against us until the last 10 minutes when we were spent.

    In a must win game I be tempted to start with Woodburn or Brooks on Friday and bring the other on if we needed to.
    I suspect though that CC will start with the "proven" Vokes or HRK simply because he knows what he's going to get from them in his generic style.
    It will be tough to get a win out there and our recent results against Georgia favour them hugely, particularly without our talisman.

  3. #43

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    This also bad news because it can affect Ramsey negatively. He has a tendency to try do too much when he's playing for Wales which often leads to mistakes/breaks down of play/losing the ball. Especially when Bale is out.

  4. #44

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    Why announce that he's out of both games now !!
    Leave both teams guessing for as long as possible. Why give them another advantage of extra time to formulate and practice a new game plan without us having Bale.
    Woodburn has been our talisman the last two games, so as long he is mentally prepared for it, then he would be a definite start for me.

  5. #45

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    Why announce that he's out of both games now !!
    Leave both teams guessing for as long as possible. Why give them another advantage of extra time to formulate and practice a new game plan without us having Bale.
    Woodburn has been our talisman the last two games, so as long he is mentally prepared for it, then he would be a definite start for me.
    Pretty sure Real would have announced it but I like the way you think. Say that we are resting him against Georgia. One hour before kick off on Monday Roy Keane finds out that the boys he has designated to kick feck out of him are no longer required.

  6. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecity View Post
    Pretty sure Real would have announced it but I like the way you think. Say that we are resting him against Georgia. One hour before kick off on Monday Roy Keane finds out that the boys he has designated to kick feck out of him are no longer required.
    Or he could just say double up on Ramsey boys.

  7. #47

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    What the **** was Zidane talking about at the weekend suggesting Bale might still play on Sunday night.? He must have known it was a non starter
    We need to be very careful in Georgia and not be hung ho. Obviously we need the win but a draw may still be crucial. Lose and it’s curtains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Sounds a bit touristy. Spent yesterday hitchhiking around Armenia instead.
    A ot of working ex pats drink there. No inflated prices or anything nd the tee shirts re just to say you've been there, like hard-rock cafes. Its a good night out and the girls are beautiful...

  9. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    Why announce that he's out of both games now !!
    Leave both teams guessing for as long as possible. Why give them another advantage of extra time to formulate and practice a new game plan without us having Bale.
    Woodburn has been our talisman the last two games, so as long he is mentally prepared for it, then he would be a definite start for me.
    Exactly what I've been thinking. Real Madrid seemed to be going along with this too, so perhaps it is one huge psychological game, I see no benefit in announcing this so early


  10. #50

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    We drew in Serbia without him , so we can win these two games without him, but the odds have to be against us now - think I'd be looking at Woodburn or Brooks before Lawrence.

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...wales-13708441
    Woodburn and Brooks are both impact players, for me. As well as Woodburn has done, he has done it as a "super" sub and I'm not too confident about putting so much on young shoulders.

    Saying that, Bale has hardly been in his usual form for Wales of late, and I still believe Wales can qualify without him. Wales struggled to get a draw at home to Georgia with him in the side.

    Tom Lawrence, though, offers little in terms of an end product, and so I would vote for Woodburn to start in Georgia with Brooks to replace him if he is struggling, or if he isn't struggling and Wales are winning comfortably. It may actually help Woodburn if Coleman just says "you are starting both games, the pressure is off".

  11. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    What the **** was Zidane talking about at the weekend suggesting Bale might still play on Sunday night.? He must have known it was a non starter
    We need to be very careful in Georgia and not be hung ho. Obviously we need the win but a draw may still be crucial. Lose and it’s curtains.
    I think it's curtains if Wales can't get the full 6 points.

  12. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt View Post
    Woodburn and Brooks are both impact players, for me. As well as Woodburn has done, he has done it as a "super" sub and I'm not too confident about putting so much on young shoulders.

    Saying that, Bale has hardly been in his usual form for Wales of late, and I still believe Wales can qualify without him. Wales struggled to get a draw at home to Georgia with him in the side.

    Tom Lawrence, though, offers little in terms of an end product, and so I would vote for Woodburn to start in Georgia with Brooks to replace him if he is struggling, or if he isn't struggling and Wales are winning comfortably. It may actually help Woodburn if Coleman just says "you are starting both games, the pressure is off".
    I agree about telling who ever is starting early., as soon as Coleman and Osian have decided take them aside for a quiet word, build them up.

  13. #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas View Post
    Au contraire Harold.
    Have you noticed that our Gareth always seems to suffer injuries just before the international break before miraculously recovering and playing a full parts in Wales games.
    He's not injured, he just loves playing for Wales. What a lad!
    Have Wales said Bale is out? Not really followed the story last few days..

  14. #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by stan butler View Post
    Have Wales said Bale is out? Not really followed the story last few days..
    Bradshaw has been called up to replace him according to the BBC, who are also saying that he is likely to miss the play offs, were we to make it. Think they changed the length of the injury in the article so the story has been updated during the day.

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41483358

    I'm still half hoping that this is all to scam the Irish preparations and that Gareth will play the second game, but that's just blind optimism.

  15. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue in the Face View Post
    I'm still half hoping that this is all to scam the Irish preparations and that Gareth will play the second game, but that's just blind optimism.
    Show us the pictures Gareth.

  16. #56

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    A ot of working ex pats drink there. No inflated prices or anything nd the tee shirts re just to say you've been there, like hard-rock cafes. Its a good night out and the girls are beautiful...
    Sounds exactly the sort of place that I avoid - but thanks.
    Weather update here in Tbilisi: pissing down after a dry day yesterday.

  17. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    A ot of working ex pats drink there. No inflated prices or anything nd the tee shirts re just to say you've been there, like hard-rock cafes. Its a good night out and the girls are beautiful...
    Sounds exactly the sort of place that I avoid - but thanks. Off to a monastery set in a very dramatic landscape instead
    Weather update here in Tbilisi: pissing down after a dry day yesterday.

  18. #58

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    A ot of working ex pats drink there. No inflated prices or anything nd the tee shirts re just to say you've been there, like hard-rock cafes. Its a good night out and the girls are beautiful...
    Sounds exactly the sort of place that I avoid - but thanks. Off to a monastery set in a very dramatic landscape instead
    Hitch-hiked around Armenia the day before yesterday.
    Weather update here in Tbilisi: pissing down after a dry day yesterday.

  19. #59

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    Whilst losing our best player is a big blow, we need to now stand up and be counted. We’re not playing a major force in our last 2 games, like a Germany or Spain. We are plying 2 sides who are on a similar level to us.
    If we are to qualify, we need to do it on merit. Georgia haven’t won a group game yet, and the Republic have therir own injury concerns.
    We have the bonus of our last game at home, and if we can’t make the play offs from this position, and with the rest of the players in our squad, then we really don’t deserve it.

  20. #60

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Whilst losing our best player is a big blow, we need to now stand up and be counted. We’re not playing a major force in our last 2 games, like a Germany or Spain. We are PLYING 2 sides who are on a similar level to us.
    If we are to qualify, we need to do it on merit. Georgia haven’t won a group game yet, and the Republic have therir own injury concerns.
    We have the bonus of our last game at home, and if we can’t make the play offs from this position, and with the rest of the players in our squad, then we really don’t deserve it.
    Hope the boys were listening in the "WOODWORK CLASS"

  21. #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    What the **** was Zidane talking about at the weekend suggesting Bale might still play on Sunday night.? He must have known it was a non starter
    We need to be very careful in Georgia and not be hung ho. Obviously we need the win but a draw may still be crucial. Lose and it’s curtains.
    Real and Wales thought it was a tight hammy, they've looked at it further and they've found it was a calf problem. I have serious concerns about the competence of Real's medical team.

  22. #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
    Real and Wales thought it was a tight hammy, they've looked at it further and they've found it was a calf problem. I have serious concerns about the competence of Real's medical team.
    Dutch Ray would be fuming. Arsenal as well. Injuries galore there.

  23. #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Hope the boys were listening in the "WOODWORK CLASS"
    I wish I was a chippie. They make bucks. Some good jeans years ago as well as long as you liked them baggy.

  24. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Whilst losing our best player is a big blow, we need to now stand up and be counted. We’re not playing a major force in our last 2 games, like a Germany or Spain. We are plying 2 sides who are on a similar level to us.
    If we are to qualify, we need to do it on merit. Georgia haven’t won a group game yet, and the Republic have therir own injury concerns.
    We have the bonus of our last game at home, and if we can’t make the play offs from this position, and with the rest of the players in our squad, then we really don’t deserve it.
    I don't believe we are playing two sides that are equal to us.
    Our players and management seem to have forgotten that just last year, we were Euro semi finalists, deservedly beating Belgium, Russia, etc.
    Why has our mental attitude, technical abilities and tactical approach fallen to the lower standard of opposition, when we really are more capable than we are now believing.
    I'm not being disrespectful to either team, or saying that either game will be easy.
    However, we must have the team ethic and belief that we had last year.
    The sum of all our parts are capable of beating significantly better teams than Georgia and Ireland.

  25. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    I don't believe we are playing two sides that are equal to us.
    Our players and management seem to have forgotten that just last year, we were Euro semi finalists, deservedly beating Belgium, Russia, etc.
    Why has our mental attitude, technical abilities and tactical approach fallen to the lower standard of opposition, when we really are more capable than we are now believing.
    I'm not being disrespectful to either team, or saying that either game will be easy.
    However, we must have the team ethic and belief that we had last year.
    The sum of all our parts are capable of beating significantly better teams than Georgia and Ireland.
    Well said.

  26. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDerrida View Post
    I don't believe we are playing two sides that are equal to us.
    Our players and management seem to have forgotten that just last year, we were Euro semi finalists, deservedly beating Belgium, Russia, etc.
    Why has our mental attitude, technical abilities and tactical approach fallen to the lower standard of opposition, when we really are more capable than we are now believing.
    I'm not being disrespectful to either team, or saying that either game will be easy.
    However, we must have the team ethic and belief that we had last year.
    The sum of all our parts are capable of beating significantly better teams than Georgia and Ireland.
    Steady on there fella. We massively over achieved last summer, but I loved every minute of it. A decent squad with great team spirit and a bit of luck (it ran out when Ramsey got suspended), saw us almost pull off the impossible.
    To expect us to achieve those heights again, even with an improved squad, is highly unlikely. That’s not me being negative. I’m being realistic. If we’d have carried on whet we left off, we’d be almost qualified now, but the fact we haven’t proves how difficult it is to maintain that sort of level in international football.

  27. #67

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    On the plus side, at least we haven't lost the FAW Player Of The Year.


  28. #68

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    Seems like the poor buggers who should have flown in with KLM to Tbilisi this evening won't land until Friday morning due to a flight delay.

  29. #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Steady on there fella. We massively over achieved last summer, but I loved every minute of it. A decent squad with great team spirit and a bit of luck (it ran out when Ramsey got suspended), saw us almost pull off the impossible.
    To expect us to achieve those heights again, even with an improved squad, is highly unlikely. That’s not me being negative. I’m being realistic. If we’d have carried on whet we left off, we’d be almost qualified now, but the fact we haven’t proves how difficult it is to maintain that sort of level in international football.
    For me, the truth is somewhere in between the stances you and JDerrida have taken. I believe Wales were one of the best four sides in Euro 2016, so got to the stage of the competition that their performances merited. That said, if it wasn't for the fact that, apart from 1958 when I was two and so have no memory of the event at all, Wales were there in a finals tournament in a major competition for the first time in my life, Euro 2016 would be right up there with the most boring ones I've seen - the standard was very low at times.

    Wales were number one seeds for this group, but that did not make them favourites to win it by any means in my book. If Serbia are in the mood, there are few teams in Europe who could feel really confident about finishing above them and, unfortunately, they have been in the mood this time. Ireland have been a very tough team to beat for more than thirty years now, Austria were always going to be competitive and Georgia were the strongest of the sixth seeded teams by some distance.

    Although Wales have more strength in depth now, they are still over reliant on three or four players and, of those, Bale is now missing games and his performances have not hit the levels we have grown accustomed to, Ramsey has missed games and his form has also been erratic, Allen has been out with suspension and Ashley Williams has started looking a lot more fallible at club level. Nevertheless, I would say that there is only one match out of the ones we've played where we got a result that was well below expectations - tomorrow's game is only a must win one because we weren't good enough (in fact we were lucky not to lose) to beat the same opponents when we played them at home.

    Even with Bale, I thought we'd struggle to get three points in Georgia and I've very little hope of us doing that not. However, unless we play woefully and lose our two remaining matches, I don't see how a campaign where we have remained unbeaten in our first eight matches can be deemed a failure - say we finish second, but miss out because we are the runner up with the worst record, then I certainly wouldn't see that as us having failed.

  30. #70

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    Can Coleman change squad players still?

    If Bale miraculously recovered for the Ireland game - could he be put back into the squad?

    (I live in hope)

  31. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    Steady on there fella. We massively over achieved last summer, but I loved every minute of it. A decent squad with great team spirit and a bit of luck (it ran out when Ramsey got suspended), saw us almost pull off the impossible.
    To expect us to achieve those heights again, even with an improved squad, is highly unlikely. That’s not me being negative. I’m being realistic. If we’d have carried on whet we left off, we’d be almost qualified now, but the fact we haven’t proves how difficult it is to maintain that sort of level in international football.
    Totally agree with the flower man for once.

  32. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by City123 View Post
    Henenessey
    Gunter Williams Chester Davies
    Allen Ledley
    Woodburn Ramsey Brooks/Hal
    Vokes
    I would also play a 4-2-3-1 with a similar team to you but I would definitely play Woodburn, Ramsey and Brooks in a 3 behind HRK

  33. #73

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    Does anyone know if Georgia are missing any key players for this game?

  34. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    Does anyone know if Georgia are missing any key players for this game?
    Matters not. I hope we just go for it.

    We should still be thinking of winning the group but we can't do that with a draw. Unfortunately I believe we'll be cautious but I expect Austria to get at least a point tomorrow.

  35. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton View Post
    Matters not. I hope we just go for it.

    We should still be thinking of winning the group but we can't do that with a draw. Unfortunately I believe we'll be cautious but I expect Austria to get at least a point tomorrow.

    I think it matters a lot. The good news is that two of their star players in Okriashvili and Ananidze are both injured. That cancels out Bale being out for us. It definitely improves our chances.

  36. #76

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    I think we need to be careful with these young lads. Weve criticised the English media for years for building up kids too soon making out they are the next football superstars and yet we seem to be ready to do the same with Woodburn, Brooks and Ampadu.

    I personally wouldnt start any of them. I see both Woodburn and Brooks as impact players off the bench.

  37. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    I think it matters a lot. The good news is that two of their star players in Okriashvili and Ananidze are both injured. That cancels out Bale being out for us. It definitely improves our chances.
    I thought Okriashvili in Cardiff was superb last year. Unluckily for Georgia it is not just today's game he is missing, he's missed a 3 or 4 for Georgia through suspension in injury, who knows where they could have been if he had played in some of those games.

  38. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    I think we need to be careful with these young lads. Weve criticised the English media for years for building up kids too soon making out they are the next football superstars and yet we seem to be ready to do the same with Woodburn, Brooks and Ampadu.

    I personally wouldnt start any of them. I see both Woodburn and Brooks as impact players off the bench.
    Not for me mate. I'd start both of them. They both seem confident lads and Woodburn in particular will have to face far bigger pressures for Liverpool than he ever will for Wales.

    I don't expect either of them to turn in performances that could replicate an in form Bale tonight but I think they would offer a fearless attitude to take on the likes of Georgia and Ireland with a solid base behind them.

    Brooks is playing more football than King and Edwards at present and I think Lawrence is always on the periphery of the game without making any real impact.

    As long as Coleman plays it right and makes them go out and enjoy the experience I honestly think these are our best options tonight.

    It's brave but I think it could work in our favour in the same way Rooney and Owen broke on the scene for England. (By the way I'm not comparing them to these two players but we also can't compare the pressure of playing for Wales with that of playing for England)

  39. #79

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    Anyone know what time the team will be announced?

  40. #80

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richyrich View Post
    Anyone know what time the team will be announced?
    45 minutes before KO

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