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The EU do not want us to leave because we make the whole thing financially viable. without Britain it will collapse faster.
At every turn they are stalling the talks and process.
The Government need to grab the issue fully and LEAVE.
Then and only then will the unelected undemocratic lunatics realise they have to talk to Britain constructively.
My patience with the EU is at an end. How much longer will the Government tolerate them?
Which version of the news do you follow?Originally Posted by AlwaysAway2
You can check out any time you like......
AA2 you don't even live in the UK so calm down.
You're drowning in debt, the economy is tanking and pig Sterling continues to crash, EU trade is all that keeps you marginally solvent. They dont need you or give a fuk about you.
Bingo.
What percentage of their exports are bought by us and vice versa? The impact of us losing our trade with the EU is far greater than vice versa. The eu is also in a better position to quickly replace lost trade.Any idea how much debt the EU is in ? , with all those bail outs by the European Central Bank to Greece etc - they're up to their neck in it I would imagine.
Full fact org says that in 2016 the UK bought £302 Billion worth of goods and services and in the same year the UK sold £242 billion to the EU - in other words we bought £60 Billion more from them.
So I would guess they very much do give a fuk about the UK, that plus the fact we give the EU 10 billion more than we get back would be another reason - perhaps
We both lose from brexit.
Over 48% of our worldwide export trade is with the 27 member states of the EU. Germany is by far the biggest member state in terms of trade and they had 7.5% of their exports with us. You need to look at the member states that have a trade surplus with us who have more fragile economies as possible allies. On that basis you would target Spain and maybe Poland, Czech Republic and Belgium to influence. About 20 member states including France have a brought parity of imports and exports give or take 10%.
Our biggest trade surplus with the rest of the world is with the USA where we import about £60 billion and export £100 billion. It will be interesting to see the favourable trade deal we negotiate with the Make America Great Again Trump Administration that greatly improves on tht position.
Perhaps that's the future collapse of the economy , third world status, Venuzalian type of politics, right wing militia forming in the depths of the new forest and other outback regions. Overthrow the Royality, republic president elected ,align our economies with Catalonia,and South American dictatorships , everyone gets an allotment space to feed a family of four, roads turned into cycle tracks .
Whoosh end of the capitalist dream in the UK,sorted .
Scotland seeks sanctuary in EU membership and is saved from the chaos engulfing the Welsh Valleys as benefit
payments are ended by the Corbinista regime after the IMF refuses to bail out bankrupt England / Wales.
Nigel Farage continues to draw his MEP salary and moves to Belgium because beer and baccy are cheaper there.
The resurgent IRA creates chaos on the new " hard " border between Ulster and the Republic and ethnic cleansing begins in Protestant and Catholic areas with thousands of refugees on the move.
A NATO peace keeping force is sent to try to help the civilians involved.
Leaving the EU is fecking stupid , I still can't believe that idiot Cameron offered a straight in out vote and the country was fecking stupid enough to vote for it
We are going to be fecked for generations to come
Sir Patrick midford is a raving right wing economist who advised Thatcher , he's off his head and nobody takes him seriously
We did have controlled immigration. We weren't in Schengen for a start.
The Schengen area is for people outside of the EU who want to visit and they only have to apply for one travel visa.
Yes and it also affects EU people.
Not with immigration though.
Does No Deal mean we don't have to pay the EU anything? I'm not sure that's right. Where did you read that?
Edit, ok I've found there's a House Of Lords report that suggests that but legal action would be likely.
Shame for the Leave voters who were sold the idea of low immigration and some bollocks on the side of a red bus as opposed to an enormous cluster **** of trying to establish new trade deals, no single market and onngoing endless negotiations going nowhere.
Frankly I am utterly amazed.
It's bad enough that the average voter literally had no idea what the impact of their vote would be.
It is becoming more and more apparent that neither did the government.
How on earth can any organisation make such an important decision without a full understanding what the outputs would be? Clearly Plan A was "business as usual" but they lost, and there wasn't, and there still isn't, a Plan B.
If your local corner shop demonstrated such a lack of planning and general awareness they'd be out of business.
Ninian, didn't you say before that you didn't vote?
With the £470 bn loss announced the other day, the country has now lost more money since brexit was announced than it has paid to the EU in membership fees total since the EU began.
Does the EU do anything quickly?
Does anyone , just read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41711337 it doesn't really give any depth , its soundbite and appears to be trying to attempting to weaken May ,whcih is fine in normal circumstances however if they are the real option,and they care about the UK what are they going to do for me , I want to know :
Will we be controlled by the European court of law on all matters
Will you fund the extraordinary £36 billion pension fund for the retirement of European Union officials
What are their actual immigration targets and mechanism.
How much are they going to give as subsidies to Wales , farmers ,fisherman .
How much is a reasonable divorce bill
Would they say no or stand up on any policy or accept the lot demanded for Brexit .
If they keep voting down the Brexit bill, how does that help anyone other than delay the outcome or postpone it .
Here is the real toughly one, Keir, would Labour at nay point refer back to the people for a new referendum.
Oh and another toughy ,as May was asked on LBC which way would you vote now on a personal level (keir and Jeremy ) stay or go , oh that right bid bad anti Labour press is in control ? and why has the same " stay or go " now question not been raised of the Labour leadership
If any of the above has been addressed I humbly apologies please post the news feeds I missed on the above matters as set out by Labour and the other parties .
I'm a very disillusioned ,lost , socialist ,who dislikes the Tories , but prefers real brave workable ,fundable , sensible polices /politics for all not sections of the communities,sound bite opposition is so easy and appealing , delivering uncomfortable reality is very tough .
Labour are the opposition, their job is to hold the government to account on what they see as major issues and flaws within the process. They aren't auditioning to become the Government, this isn't an election campaign.Does anyone , just read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41711337 it doesn't really give any depth , its soundbite and appears to be trying to attempting to weaken May ,whcih is fine in normal circumstances however if they are the real option,and they care about the UK what are they going to do for me , I want to know :
Will we be controlled by the European court of law on all matters
Will you fund the extraordinary £36 billion pension fund for the retirement of European Union officials
What are their actual immigration targets and mechanism.
How much are they going to give as subsidies to Wales , farmers ,fisherman .
How much is a reasonable divorce bill
Would they say no or stand up on any policy or accept the lot demanded for Brexit .
If they keep voting down the Brexit bill, how does that help anyone other than delay the outcome or postpone it .
Here is the real toughly one, Keir, would Labour at nay point refer back to the people for a new referendum.
Oh and another toughy ,as May was asked on LBC which way would you vote now on a personal level (keir and Jeremy ) stay or go , oh that right bid bad anti Labour press is in control ? and why has the same " stay or go " now question not been raised of the Labour leadership
If any of the above has been addressed I humbly apologies please post the news feeds I missed on the above matters as set out by Labour and the other parties .
I'm a very disillusioned ,lost , socialist ,who dislikes the Tories , but prefers real brave workable ,fundable , sensible polices /politics for all not sections of the communities,sound bite opposition is so easy and appealing , delivering uncomfortable reality is very tough .
'how would you vote now' is the easiest question in the world for May. There's only one answer for her.
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