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Thread: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

  1. #26

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Ninian, didn't you say before that you didn't vote?

  2. #27

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Singapore was able to do what it did because it's a small country and doesn't face the challenges that a bigger country does. It also has a government which has never had real opposition so they were able to make the changes they want quickly but they were also starting from an undeveloped nation status.

  3. #28

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    With the £470 bn loss announced the other day, the country has now lost more money since brexit was announced than it has paid to the EU in membership fees total since the EU began.

  4. #29

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Agree with pretty much all of that - when I got to the voting booth I couldnt make my mind up - as you can probably tell from my posts, politically I would leave, economically I would stay in - but economically it hasnt been good for everyone.

    Ask a banker in the city, or someone who makes money selling into the EU and they will tell you its madness to leave

    Ask a fisherman or farmer and you will get the opposite reaction. If you have tried getting a doctors appointment and been told to wait 3 weeks, your local school is massively over subscribed etc - a population that has grown from the 60 odd million I remember to the approx 68 million it is today. Then no wonder people want controls on immigration (not a ban - just to be able to control it) - I dont want to start a thread on immigration though please. Tony Blair has a lot to answer for here with his go get em from anywhere policy.

    I go back to my previous point - if the EU ever listened to their electorate - then they would allow immigration controls. As it stands the underlying mood music in EU countries seems to mirror the issues we have here.

    Add to that an unelected, alcoholic, corrupt, Juncker in charge of the commission - and it doesnt take a genius to work out why people seem to have had enough - the EU is just too blind to notice.
    I agree about not making this thread about immigration but I just have to make one point because I feel like you are giving the government (any of the last 20 years) somewhat of a free pass on their inability to build infrastructure for a growing population. I have seen countless new developments locally with little thought put into the services they will use, vast estates put up with no more than a corner shop built.

    There are countless examples of other countries who have experienced population growth that exceeds what the UK has experienced and they have been able to make things work.

    It is a challenge but by no means unsurmountable and it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card for the government for not doing their job properly.

  5. #30

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    What percentage of their exports are bought by us and vice versa? The impact of us losing our trade with the EU is far greater than vice versa. The eu is also in a better position to quickly replace lost trade.

    We both lose from brexit.
    Does the EU do anything quickly?

  6. #31

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    IGNORE percentages they are meaningless when dealing with this sort of thing. THE only thing that matters is how much MONEY are we talking about about ? - the answer is we import 60 billion a year more from the EU than we export in money terms that is £302 billion imported and £242 billion exported

    This for Goods and Services though. Goods are covered by WTO rules should we use those. Services are NOT covered by WTO rules, and such companies use the 'passporting' system. Passporting will be an issue in the negotiating meetings, and I'm guessing we will have to pay for access to it. It has to be said though - this is a 2 way street and EU companies also want to sell services in the UK.

    #webothlosefrombrexit
    Clearly percentages do matter. If Benefit Bob and Richard Branson both lose a fiver, whose life is affected more?

    Can't disagree with the hashtag though.

  7. #32

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Why do we need any trade deals - when you can simply trade with any country you like on WTO rules ?
    What about European countries? We can't negotiate with them on an individual basis. All the nonsense about vineyards in France and car makers in Germany wanting free trade with the UK is bollocks. They can't have it, neither can we. We'd have to trade with European countries en bloc.

  8. #33

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Does the EU do anything quickly?
    Does anyone , just read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41711337 it doesn't really give any depth , its soundbite and appears to be trying to attempting to weaken May ,whcih is fine in normal circumstances however if they are the real option,and they care about the UK what are they going to do for me , I want to know :

    Will we be controlled by the European court of law on all matters
    Will you fund the extraordinary £36 billion pension fund for the retirement of European Union officials
    What are their actual immigration targets and mechanism.
    How much are they going to give as subsidies to Wales , farmers ,fisherman .
    How much is a reasonable divorce bill
    Would they say no or stand up on any policy or accept the lot demanded for Brexit .
    If they keep voting down the Brexit bill, how does that help anyone other than delay the outcome or postpone it .
    Here is the real toughly one, Keir, would Labour at nay point refer back to the people for a new referendum.
    Oh and another toughy ,as May was asked on LBC which way would you vote now on a personal level (keir and Jeremy ) stay or go , oh that right bid bad anti Labour press is in control ? and why has the same " stay or go " now question not been raised of the Labour leadership

    If any of the above has been addressed I humbly apologies please post the news feeds I missed on the above matters as set out by Labour and the other parties .

    I'm a very disillusioned ,lost , socialist ,who dislikes the Tories , but prefers real brave workable ,fundable , sensible polices /politics for all not sections of the communities,sound bite opposition is so easy and appealing , delivering uncomfortable reality is very tough .

  9. #34

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    'how would you vote now' is the easiest question in the world for May. There's only one answer for her.

  10. #35

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Simple question - how many countries in the world trade solely on WTO terms without free trade agreements with other countries? Is there a reason why all of the major economies have free trade agreements and why do people think we'd be better off by not having any?

  11. #36

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    I’ll say one thing for Keri Starmer I think he’d make a bloody good prime minister.
    Compare him to those vain glory seeking twat last David Davis and Boris Johnson.

  12. #37

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Does anyone , just read this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41711337 it doesn't really give any depth , its soundbite and appears to be trying to attempting to weaken May ,whcih is fine in normal circumstances however if they are the real option,and they care about the UK what are they going to do for me , I want to know :

    Will we be controlled by the European court of law on all matters
    Will you fund the extraordinary £36 billion pension fund for the retirement of European Union officials
    What are their actual immigration targets and mechanism.
    How much are they going to give as subsidies to Wales , farmers ,fisherman .
    How much is a reasonable divorce bill
    Would they say no or stand up on any policy or accept the lot demanded for Brexit .
    If they keep voting down the Brexit bill, how does that help anyone other than delay the outcome or postpone it .
    Here is the real toughly one, Keir, would Labour at nay point refer back to the people for a new referendum.
    Oh and another toughy ,as May was asked on LBC which way would you vote now on a personal level (keir and Jeremy ) stay or go , oh that right bid bad anti Labour press is in control ? and why has the same " stay or go " now question not been raised of the Labour leadership

    If any of the above has been addressed I humbly apologies please post the news feeds I missed on the above matters as set out by Labour and the other parties .

    I'm a very disillusioned ,lost , socialist ,who dislikes the Tories , but prefers real brave workable ,fundable , sensible polices /politics for all not sections of the communities,sound bite opposition is so easy and appealing , delivering uncomfortable reality is very tough .
    Labour are the opposition, their job is to hold the government to account on what they see as major issues and flaws within the process. They aren't auditioning to become the Government, this isn't an election campaign.

  13. #38

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Corbyn believes in Brexit which is why Labour have been so useless in oposing it.

    I don't think the " yoof " who support him realise this.

    Anyway the whole thing is a disaster caused by Cameron letting Farage's tail wag his dog.

    The Financial sector is set to move to Frankfurt , food prices are soaring and the £ is collapsing
    against the Euro and the dollar.

    Oh shyte new world that has such people in it.

  14. #39

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Labour are the opposition, their job is to hold the government to account on what they see as major issues and flaws within the process. They aren't auditioning to become the Government, this isn't an election campaign.
    Have you read it says nothing,
    He's electioneering, hes point scoring , where's the content ,where's the figures, where's the detail.

    He'll be telling Students they will be free of debt soon hope it's not buying votes..

    Even Frank Filed has saidvwork with Goverment not hinder, these are serious times we need a good deal for all the people with everyone helping not hindering .

  15. #40

    Re: Leaving the EU is being made much harder than it actually is.

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Have you read it says nothing,
    He's electioneering, hes point scoring , where's the content ,where's the figures, where's the detail.

    He'll be telling Students they will be free of debt soon hope it's not buying votes..

    Even Frank Filed has saidvwork with Goverment not hinder, these are serious times we need a good deal for all the people with everyone helping not hindering .
    It gives you a list of the things they want changing in the brexit bill, the article is about the brexit bill. I don't really know what more detail you want them to give?

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