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    Generous people of Cardiff


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    Shameful that there should be a food bank in this day and age. It confuses older people who think that they are back in the war years and contributing steel to the cannon shell effort

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    Those artifacts are probably worth quite a bit to collectors.

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    Meanwhile, down the shitty end of the M4.........

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...mself-13717488

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    Man City gave you this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfried_Bony once he couldnt oust ol Crouchy or Diouf from the Stoke team. Enjoy for the next 2 years mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Meanwhile, down the shitty end of the M4.........

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...mself-13717488
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ed-sex-1996027
    Good and bad in every city.

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    Good players in ours bad ones in yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecity View Post
    Good players in ours bad ones in yours.
    The end of the season will tell Joe,bit early to sound a fanfare.

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    Completely correct. Let us see. I would wish you luck but you understand... Good stuff mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxim View Post
    The end of the season will tell Joe,bit early to sound a fanfare.
    Off topic Max I used to live in Swansea. St Thomas it was alright. Is the bookies still open n the paper shop/offy. Forget the name of the pub. It weren't too bad by the river.. The chippy by it was ropy no doubt you know the one I mean. No complaints apart from that.
    Last edited by joecity; 05-10-17 at 23:15. Reason: typos n lots of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    Meanwhile, down the shitty end of the M4.........

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...mself-13717488
    Says he was caught red handed. How long had he been spanking the monkey?

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    It’s the thought that counts and anything is better than nothing

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    Some nutter, somewhere, will pay "BIG BUCKS" for that, thus the charity ends up ££££££££££'s in pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    UK and France are roughly the same size of population 68 million ish
    Foodbanks introduced into the UK (circa 2001) 17 years AFTER they were introduced in France (circa 1984)
    France Foodbanks consume about 4 times the amount of food than UK foodbanks.

    In France they are seen as a sign of how caring the Govt / the people are in helping those less fortunate, socialist values etc
    In the UK they are seen as a sign of poverty, destitution and desperation.

    Has anyone ever had 'kidney' soup ?
    Just another political football to be used by those who are looking for a cheap shot rather than identifying a strategy that involves policies that would make a positive difference without destroying the economy.

    Personally I think things overall have improved dramatically since I was a kid.

    And probably very little of this is down to who was in charge but more down to relative stability over the period

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    UK and France are roughly the same size of population 68 million ish
    Foodbanks introduced into the UK (circa 2001) 17 years AFTER they were introduced in France (circa 1984)
    France Foodbanks consume about 4 times the amount of food than UK foodbanks.

    In France they are seen as a sign of how caring the Govt / the people are in helping those less fortunate, socialist values etc
    In the UK they are seen as a sign of poverty, destitution and desperation.

    Has anyone ever had 'kidney' soup ?
    Could not think of anything worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    Just another political football to be used by those who are looking for a cheap shot rather than identifying a strategy that involves policies that would make a positive difference without destroying the economy.

    Personally I think things overall have improved dramatically since I was a kid.

    And probably very little of this is down to who was in charge but more down to relative stability over the period
    A reality for some folk. The food banks. Take the politics away and you are still left with the shame of it. Not the shame of people who feed themselves from them because none should be attached plus 'respectable' working folk as it were use them. The shame that in the worlds 5/6th biggest economy it should be like this. I wouldn't think its making political capital for the sake of it to highlight a problem.

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    Re: Generous people of Cardiff

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    UK and France are roughly the same size of population 68 million ish
    Foodbanks introduced into the UK (circa 2001) 17 years AFTER they were introduced in France (circa 1984)
    France Foodbanks consume about 4 times the amount of food than UK foodbanks.

    In France they are seen as a sign of how caring the Govt / the people are in helping those less fortunate, socialist values etc
    In the UK they are seen as a sign of poverty, destitution and desperation.

    Has anyone ever had 'kidney' soup ?
    They are a sign of poverty, destitution and desperation aren't they though Clarky mate. Is it that France does it cause it wants to but Britain does it cause it has too? Thoughts welcome..Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecity View Post
    A reality for some folk. The food banks. Take the politics away and you are still left with the shame of it. Not the shame of people who feed themselves from them because none should be attached plus 'respectable' working folk as it were use them. The shame that in the worlds 5/6th biggest economy it should be like this. I wouldn't think its making political capital for the sake of it to highlight a problem.
    It is, because it's used to drive agendas.

    It's not a direct measure of poverty and in fact some of the main ones used , based on relative incomes are misleading too, as they are treated as difinitive measures and are actually just relative to what you also point out is a generally well off society.

    By using these bollox measures attention is taken away from the true drivers of poverty.

    Lack of ambition, mental illness, alcohol, drugs, crime, poor education standards , ridiculous house prices in some areas due to investment all being channeled into certain areas, etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawnmower View Post
    It is, because it's used to drive agendas.

    It's not a direct measure of poverty and in fact some of the main ones used , based on relative incomes are misleading too, as they are treated as difinitive measures and are actually just relative to what you also point out is a generally well off society.

    By using these bollox measures attention is taken away from the true drivers of poverty.

    Lack of ambition, mental illness, alcohol, drugs, crime, poor education standards , ridiculous house prices in some areas due to investment all being channeled into certain areas, etc...
    Surely the majority of people using them are affected by one or more of the factors you mention though? If it gives it some air time in the press wouldn't that highlight these as well. I wouldn't think they are used just to satisfy hunger alone. You would wonder why? I would anyway. Highlighting each driver by itself of course is completely right. Food banks just sharpen the focus don't they?
    Last edited by joecity; 07-10-17 at 09:53. Reason: typo man

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecity View Post
    They are a sign of poverty, destitution and desperation aren't they though Clarky mate. Is it that France does it cause it wants to but Britain does it cause it has too? Thoughts welcome..Good stuff.
    I think, for me, helping the least fortunate in society should be a responsibility for everyone as part of a civilised society, a community, not just a responsibility for those who want to but shit on the shoe of those who don't want to. While there are plenty of very rich philanthropists, there are also plenty of very wealthy people who would rather hoard money/waste it frivolously etc than consider those in great need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I think, for me, helping the least fortunate in society should be a responsibility for everyone as part of a civilised society, a community, not just a responsibility for those who want to but shit on the shoe of those who don't want to. While there are plenty of very rich philanthropists, there are also plenty of very wealthy people who would rather hoard money/waste it frivolously etc than consider those in great need.
    I see what you are saying mate. Individuals can do what they like with the money they have earned and good for them. The taxes collected of the earnings if payed should be used across the board to help all, maybe with those who need the most help getting the most. Of course there is never enough money, I just cant get past the fact that those who need the most help should get the most. I have never heard a single argument to justify it otherwise that I can agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecity View Post
    I see what you are saying mate. Individuals can do what they like with the money they have earned and good for them. The taxes collected of the earnings if payed should be used across the board to help all, maybe with those who need the most help getting the most. Of course there is never enough money, I just cant get past the fact that those who need the most help should get the most. I have never heard a single argument to justify it otherwise that I can agree with.
    Fully agree with all of this.

    I think there's lots that could be done. One example is that many older people consider that by paying their taxes and stamp over many years that they have some entitlement to some of it back (in terms of things like winter heating allowance, free bus pass etc etc). Plenty of pensioners don't need this money and it could be better spent, but no government is ever likely to piss off pensioners and lose their vote.

    One thing that annoys me is when people are labelled as benefit scroungers, wanting something for nothing etc. In the vast majority of cases, these labels are inaccurate, but it's easy to target people like that. Similarly, lots of people have no idea when it comes to disability. I'm not saying that there aren't people who cheat the system, but instances of this are far lower than most believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecity View Post
    Surely the majority of people using them are affected by one or more of the factors you mention though? If it gives it some air time in the press wouldn't that highlight these as well. I wouldn't think they are used just to satisfy hunger alone. You would wonder why? I would anyway. Highlighting each driver by itself of course is completely right. Food banks just sharpen the focus don't they?
    I've no idea who uses them.
    Is there a check.

    Fact is the growth in them is not in itself an indication of growing poverty or inequality and people who use this as 'evidence' are deceiving us.

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    I can't see why else they would grow. I take the point about analyzing hard economic data. I will look into it more. Thanks mate.

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    Re: Generous people of Cardiff

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I think, for me, helping the least fortunate in society should be a responsibility for everyone as part of a civilised society, a community, not just a responsibility for those who want to but shit on the shoe of those who don't want to. While there are plenty of very rich philanthropists, there are also plenty of very wealthy people who would rather hoard money/waste it frivolously etc than consider those in great need.
    I went to the bakery where I get my lunch from late a few weeks ago and they didn't have what I wanted there.
    The lady at the counter said 'it's OK I'll make you whatever you want'.
    'So what happens to this stuff that's left over' I asked

    'It all gets thrown out, piles of it every night'

    I chose something that was already there, but walked off feeling sick about all the waste.

    I'm sure they aren't the only ones.

    Surely something could be done by a charity to redistribute this ?

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