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Thread: Hilary Clinton

  1. #41

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    If you're confident you're not being manipulated, pick your favourite RINO and check their voting record.
    Before or after Trump became president?

  2. #42

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Before or after Trump became president?
    Take your pick.

  3. #43

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    OK, you (understandably) seem to have lost your enthusiasm for this thread so here's a list of Conservative Review's top 10 Republicans In Name Only, their length of service to the Republican Party and the percentage of times they vote along Trump lines.

    1. John McCain. Senator from AZ. 30 years - 83.3%
    2. Lisa Murkowski. Senator from AK. 14 years - 85.7%
    3. Susan Collins. Senator from ME. 20 years - 80%
    4. Mitch McConnell. Senator from K. 32 years - 95.9%
    5. Orrin Hatch. Senator from UT. 40 years - 96%
    6. Lamar Alexander. Senator from TN. 14 years - 93.8%
    7. Lindsey Graham. Senator from SC. 14 years - 90%
    8. Jeff Flake. Senator from AZ. 4 years - 91.7%
    9. Paul Ryan. Representative from WI. 18 years - 100%
    10. Kevin McCarthy. Representative from CA. 10 years - 97.9%

    Sources: fivethirtyeight.com, conservativereview.com

  4. #44

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    TBF there isn't much difference between Clinton, Bush and Obama, they are pretty much the same party, just like Blair and Cameron were. Everything run smoothly when new players take over. When people like Trump and Corbyn threaten the established power, things tend to get a little hostile, with attacks happening even within their own parties.

  5. #45

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    TBF there isn't much difference between Clinton, Bush and Obama, they are pretty much the same party, just like Blair and Cameron were. Everything run smoothly when new players take over. When people like Trump and Corbyn threaten the established power, things tend to get a little hostile, with attacks happening even within their own parties.
    You're now off point. And waffling.

  6. #46

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    You're now off point. And waffling.
    If you say so

    GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis revealed Republican leadership blocked him and others from investigating the Clinton-Uranium One deal!

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...vidence-video/

  7. #47

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    If you say so

    GOP Rep. Ron DeSantis revealed Republican leadership blocked him and others from investigating the Clinton-Uranium One deal!

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...vidence-video/
    That's the other thread. Get it together.

    We were talking about how you've been manipulated by your media outlet of choice into invoking terms like RINO without even bothering to check facts. Remember?

  8. #48

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Time will be the judge of that, and so far I have not been shown to be a person who is easily manipulated. The moment I am, I will be the first to announce the error of my ways
    If we accept that you are right about the manipulation of the MSM, are you saying that the manipulation only goes on with one of the two sides in the conflict you are obsessed with? Surely anyone who believes that one side is pure evil and the other is squeaky clean is either naive or a fool, so I assume you accept there is manipulation on both sides? That being the case, that's some claim you make about not being easily manipulated.

  9. #49

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    If we accept that you are right about the manipulation of the MSM, are you saying that the manipulation only goes on with one of the two sides in the conflict you are obsessed with? Surely anyone who believes that one side is pure evil and the other is squeaky clean is either naive or a fool, so I assume you accept there is manipulation on both sides? That being the case, that's some claim you make about not being easily manipulated.
    Yep, there is manipulation on both sides, and a hell of lot of corruption too. I always look at opposing views and the underlying facts before I jump in on any particular topic. There are also many things I am not sure about, and you won't find me arguing the point so vigourously on such matters.

    I've been watching the Russia events for a while now, and I have always said the Trump accusations were mostlly fabricated or a fishing expedition. I feel pretty confident about that. Do you remember the FISA warrants and phoney pee dossier? The recent developments in the Uranium One case are compelling IMO, and actually help to explain the reason for the Trump/Russia narrative.

    I find this lady in the video below very bombastic, but she is on point with her observations here, and it is a good recap of current events regarding Russian interference and collusion. Naturally I will get ribbed for quoting Fox as a reference, but there are only a few people covering this story (why?), so I have little choice in the matter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkJ_ZHpOdxc

  10. #50

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    That's the other thread. Get it together.

    We were talking about how you've been manipulated by your media outlet of choice into invoking terms like RINO without even bothering to check facts. Remember?
    Donít waste your breath. He wonít respond about this. Itís what he does. He posts endlessly about his agenda to show how much cleverer than everyone else he is.. Then when someone tries to get him to commit to something or tie him down to a factual argument he has two methods - either go off on a tangent or revert to ďIím just an observer, letís wait and see how things play outĒ

    Basically he hasnít got a clue.

  11. #51

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    That's the other thread. Get it together.

    We were talking about how you've been manipulated by your media outlet of choice into invoking terms like RINO without even bothering to check facts. Remember?
    I posted it here because it reinforces my opinion that there is very little difference when it comes down to the core actions of both main parties. The GOP leadership actually told their fellow Republicans to stop investigating the Uranium One deal and any Democrat wrongdoing! Why would they do that? It's going against the people when they involve themselves in the cover-up.

  12. #52

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I posted it here because it reinforces my opinion that there is very little difference when it comes down to the core actions of both main parties. The GOP leadership actually told their fellow Republicans to stop investigating the Uranium One deal and any Democrat wrongdoing! Why would they do that? It's going against the people when they involve themselves in the cover-up.
    So back to his original point........

  13. #53

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    Don’t waste your breath. He won’t respond about this. It’s what he does. He posts endlessly about his agenda to show how much cleverer than everyone else he is.. Then when someone tries to get him to commit to something or tie him down to a factual argument he has two methods - either go off on a tangent or revert to “I’m just an observer, let’s wait and see how things play out”

    Basically he hasn’t got a clue.
    It's not my agenda, it's what's actually happening in the world. I don't have any agenda, I just observe events unfolding, and I have been correct about the Trump/Russia narrative from the very beginning.

  14. #54

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    So back to his original point........
    What's your opinion on Trump, Clinton, Obama and Russia?

  15. #55

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    It's not my agenda, it's what's actually happening in the world. I don't have any agenda, I just observe events unfolding, and I have been correct about the Trump/Russia narrative from the very beginning.
    Of course you have.

  16. #56

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    What's your opinion on Trump, Clinton, Obama and Russia?
    All lying cnuts.

    Now stop deflecting and get back to NYC Blues points. (About 12 posts back, before you started changing direction)

  17. #57

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    Of course you have.
    Just read the Trump thread. You must be confusing me with lardy

  18. #58

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    All lying cnuts.

    Now stop deflecting and get back to NYC Blues points. (About 12 posts back, before you started changing direction)
    Already dealt with that. On core issues they are the same, just like in the houses on parliament. Blair/Cameron and Clinton/Bush/Obama had no significant policy differences. It's all window dressing to give the illusion of choice.

  19. #59

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Already dealt with that. On core issues they are the same, just like in the houses on parliament. Blair/Cameron and Clinton/Bush/Obama had no significant policy differences. It's all window dressing to give the illusion of choice.
    Point proved.

    You waffle on, somebody tries to pin you down to something, you waffle some more.

    For the record NYC asked you for something specific, your reply basically amounted to “they’re all the same” - classic Gluey.

    Good to see that you’ve finally acknowledged that they ARE all the same - even The orange man you’re pinning your hopes on (yeah yeah we know you’re just a neutral observer)

  20. #60

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    1. John McCain. Senator from AZ. 30 years - 83.3%
    2. Lisa Murkowski. Senator from AK. 14 years - 85.7%
    3. Susan Collins. Senator from ME. 20 years - 80%
    4. Mitch McConnell. Senator from K. 32 years - 95.9%
    5. Orrin Hatch. Senator from UT. 40 years - 96%
    6. Lamar Alexander. Senator from TN. 14 years - 93.8%
    7. Lindsey Graham. Senator from SC. 14 years - 90%
    8. Jeff Flake. Senator from AZ. 4 years - 91.7%
    9. Paul Ryan. Representative from WI. 18 years - 100%
    10. Kevin McCarthy. Representative from CA. 10 years - 97.9%
    BTW this looks like a list of leading RINO's (his words not mine) that Steve Bannon is going to challenge at the 2018 & 2020 Republican Primaries.

  21. #61

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Lecter View Post
    Point proved.

    You waffle on, somebody tries to pin you down to something, you waffle some more.

    For the record NYC asked you for something specific, your reply basically amounted to “they’re all the same” - classic Gluey.

    Good to see that you’ve finally acknowledged that they ARE all the same - even The orange man you’re pinning your hopes on (yeah yeah we know you’re just a neutral observer)
    I was specifically addressing the voting records of the people on the list that NYC posted.

  22. #62

  23. #63

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by NYCBlue View Post
    OK, you (understandably) seem to have lost your enthusiasm for this thread so here's a list of Conservative Review's top 10 Republicans In Name Only, their length of service to the Republican Party and the percentage of times they vote along Trump lines.

    1. John McCain. Senator from AZ. 30 years - 83.3%
    2. Lisa Murkowski. Senator from AK. 14 years - 85.7%
    3. Susan Collins. Senator from ME. 20 years - 80%
    4. Mitch McConnell. Senator from K. 32 years - 95.9%
    5. Orrin Hatch. Senator from UT. 40 years - 96%
    6. Lamar Alexander. Senator from TN. 14 years - 93.8%
    7. Lindsey Graham. Senator from SC. 14 years - 90%
    8. Jeff Flake. Senator from AZ. 4 years - 91.7%
    9. Paul Ryan. Representative from WI. 18 years - 100%
    10. Kevin McCarthy. Representative from CA. 10 years - 97.9%

    Sources: fivethirtyeight.com, conservativereview.com
    You can cross number 8 off your list. He was going to be primaried by Steve Bannon, so he's decided to jump before he is pushed.

  24. #64

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Gag lifted, very bad news for Mrs C.

  25. #65

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Happy Birthday Hillary!

  26. #66

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Happy Birthday Hillary!
    Is this her belated present?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...illary-clinton

  27. #67

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    He's larping.

  28. #68

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by J R Hartley View Post
    On Graham Norton.

    What a thoroughly dis-likeable person.

    Sheís so shit she lost a popularity contest to Trump, yet her she is trying to save face on a chat show making cheap shots at her former opponent.

    Odious dyke.
    its no wonder her husband went to away games
    she really is one ugly pig
    one creepy evil witch

  29. #69

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    It was the choice of sh*t.

    Hilary doesn't make Trump better, Trump doesn't make Hilary better.
    Neither make each other any worse than they already are.

    they/we have the illusion of choice Vimto mate
    they serve their masters not the people

  30. #70

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    they/we have the illusion of choice Vimto mate
    they serve their masters not the people
    'Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't.' George Carlin, The American Dream.

  31. #71

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    'Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't.' George Carlin, The American Dream.
    yep that was the point I was trying to make Organ mate
    George Carlin the legend

  32. #72

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    I get that notion.

    So it doesn't matter - whatsoever - which candidate (and party) we 'choose' from any political 'choice'?
    Not at all?
    No effect on us either way? Anyway?

    Not sure that I'm convince that is truly 100% the case.

    I'll stick with 'choice of sh1t' as a descriptor for the kind of choices we seem to be presented with these days though.

  33. #73

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    I get that notion.

    So it doesn't matter - whatsoever - which candidate (and party) we 'choose' from any political 'choice'?
    Not at all?
    No effect on us either way? Anyway?

    Not sure that I'm convince that is truly 100% the case.

    I'll stick with 'choice of sh1t' as a descriptor for the kind of choices we seem to be presented with these days though.


  34. #74

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...sparking-fury?

    'Fake News' Guardian reporting that Fox is reporting on its own fake news about Clinton?


  35. #75

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...sparking-fury?

    'Fake News' Guardian reporting that Fox is reporting on its own fake news about Clinton?

    so a fake news story about a fake news story is it mate

  36. #76

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    so a fake news story about a fake news story is it mate
    Does that cancel itself out and make it true? ;)

    Though, if Fox itself, or at least one of it's Anchors is apparently admitting that Fox has been spreading horsesh*t about Hilary, that would be a right ol' can of worms eh?
    Not sure if it's just a Guardian story so far though.

  37. #77

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    Does that cancel itself out and make it true? ;)

    Though, if Fox itself, or at least one of it's Anchors is apparently admitting that Fox has been spreading horsesh*t about Hilary, that would be a right ol' can of worms eh?
    Not sure if it's just a Guardian story so far though.
    Hold your horses mate, the fat lady hasn't done her thing yet

  38. #78

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Hillary says if anybody investigates her it would be an abuse of power.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...abuse-of-power

  39. #79

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    Does that cancel itself out and make it true? ;)

    Though, if Fox itself, or at least one of it's Anchors is apparently admitting that Fox has been spreading horsesh*t about Hilary, that would be a right ol' can of worms eh?
    Not sure if it's just a Guardian story so far though.
    The story originally 'broke' from a Breitbart journalist.

    If a Fox anchor is sticking his head above the parapet and saying it's inaccurate then the impartial amongst us have to be a bit suspicious about the story.

  40. #80

    Re: Hilary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Hillary says if anybody investigates her it would be an abuse of power.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...abuse-of-power
    She can say what she likes, or try to.
    It's not her call. Currently the DoJ doesn't seem to want to either.

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