Did Tomlin kick it out of the keeper's hands? It looked like it had just left his hands so should have been a goal.
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Did Tomlin kick it out of the keeper's hands? It looked like it had just left his hands so should have been a goal.
Possibly, but they never get given.
They give it to Samuel Eto against David Marshall at Stamford Bridge a few years backOriginally Posted by Toadstool
That's what I thought of as soon as the incident happened. But I was looking from the Grandstand and Tomlin blocked my view of what the Millwall keeper did with the ball, so not sure if the situations were close enough for comparison. Anyway, this was Eto'o stealing the ball from Marshall:
Marshall bounced the ball therefore released it from his possession. Correct decision.
Millwall keeper still in possession of ball - until after he makes contact. Tomlin cannot pinch ball off him whilst in air.
A few more
How on earth was the Millwall keeper still in possession of the ball when it was in the air about a yard in front of him?
A striker in that situation is not allowed to move. It's the law.
Look up Georgie Best Gordon Banks.
Law12 FIFA
Offences committed against goalkeepers
• It is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball
from his hands
• A player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or
attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing
it
• It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly
impeding him
Unless it’s a Cardiff City keeper
LOL! This is pretty much it.
Tomlin carefully stayed at the keeper's side so the 3rd rule is not infringed.
Tomlin did not prevent the keeper from releasing the ball - in fact he waited for him to do it. So the first rule is not infringed.
The decision for the ref appears to be whether there was an attempt to kick the ball
when the keeper was "in the process of releasing it." There must also be a decision that what happened was dangerous. This rule conflates 2 situations.
That keeper threw the ball into the air, intending to kick it as it fell. Once he had done so, he had released it.
There was no danger.
I think there is a perfectly good argument that it was a valid goal,
Furthermore Tomlin was booked, presumably for dangerous play. So the ref must have thought it was dangerous, perhaps even when the ball had been released and he was entitled to go for it?
These laws are a bit of a shambles, in particular law 2.
Yes, the way the goalkeeper threw it and released it is key. It was some distance away from his body, he was not in control of it.Tomlin carefully stayed at the keeper's side so the 3rd rule is not infringed.
Tomlin did not prevent the keeper from releasing the ball - in fact he waited for him to do it. So the first rule is not infringed.
The decision for the ref appears to be whether there was an attempt to kick the ball
when the keeper was "in the process of releasing it." There must also be a decision that what happened was dangerous. This rule conflates 2 situations.
That keeper threw the ball into the air, intending to kick it as it fell. Once he had done so, he had released it.
There was no danger.
I think there is a perfectly good argument that it was a valid goal,
Furthermore Tomlin was booked, presumably for dangerous play. So the ref must have thought it was dangerous, perhaps even when the ball had been released and he was entitled to go for it?
These laws are a bit of a shambles, in particular law 2.
What does 'not in control' mean? Maybe that you can't get a clean strike of the ball? The keeper was certainly going to hit it well, it wasn't thrown that far from his body. It was a textbook keeper kick.
Exactly, he was in control as per rules which people don't seem to know.
Tomlin acted like an idiot, wasting time, no wonder Warnock was going ballistic at him.
Are we still doing this?
Ref spot on.
Tomlin idiot, could easily have been booked (decent effort just before mind)
Perhaps if we debate it say for three pages, the rules might change
My thoughts exactly. Absolute shambles of a decision.Tomlin carefully stayed at the keeper's side so the 3rd rule is not infringed.
Tomlin did not prevent the keeper from releasing the ball - in fact he waited for him to do it. So the first rule is not infringed.
The decision for the ref appears to be whether there was an attempt to kick the ball
when the keeper was "in the process of releasing it." There must also be a decision that what happened was dangerous. This rule conflates 2 situations.
That keeper threw the ball into the air, intending to kick it as it fell. Once he had done so, he had released it.
There was no danger.
I think there is a perfectly good argument that it was a valid goal,
Furthermore Tomlin was booked, presumably for dangerous play. So the ref must have thought it was dangerous, perhaps even when the ball had been released and he was entitled to go for it?
These laws are a bit of a shambles, in particular law 2.
The law is an ass then - the Millwall keeper was obviously not in possession of the ball when Tomlin committed the "foul" and the challenge he put in would have been deemed a fair one if it had been between two outfield players contesting a loose ball. However, the powers that be, perhaps understandably, do not want to see the consequences of what would follow if goals like that were allowed to stand.
Yep I remember that one.
Just saw the replay on sky sports, the ball is definitely released, Tomkins boot is not much higher than the keepers and he was never going to hurt him.
I thought at the time he was stupid trying to do it, but looking at the replay I think it was a fair challenge
On the radio wales phone-in, Blakey explained that even though the goalie throws the ball he’s deemed to still be in control of it, if the ball bounced then it wouldve been ok.
Agreed that's the normal opinion, but the keeper's throw was hardly one of being in control of it. He threw it some distance away from his body so he could whack it.
So by that ruling, if we allow that no keeper will be able to kick a ball again because strikers will be there waiting to kick it as he wants to boot it away..... if someone did that to us tomorrow you would probably kick off for being close to him trying to play it away.
Come on
no chance it's a goal although maybe worth a try with that ref
No chance with that ref. He gave us bugger all.Come on
no chance it's a goal although maybe worth a try with that ref
Yes, I know they're never given.
I stand by my argument that he wasn't in control of the ball. He threw it up in the air. Surely then it should be fair game for anyone?
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