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Thread: Arriva pulls out of next Franchise bidding

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    Arriva pulls out of next Franchise bidding


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    I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it. Making a better service,no delays,no strikes, cheaper fairs & make a profit

    I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it themselves ?
    Making it a better service, no delays, no strikes, cheaper fairs and to run at a profit. It is to be a blueprint or rather a redprint for Corbyns nationalisation of the railways.

    It will be an interesting experiment - and if the WAG delivers on their promises then we should all get a better, cheaper and more reliable service that wont see our railways being run by a German company - whose profits go to Germany.

    Im all for it - if it works - which enough people have said it will.

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    Re: I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it. Making a better service,no delays,no strikes, cheaper fairs & make a profit

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it themselves ?
    Making it a better service, no delays, no strikes, cheaper fairs and to run at a profit. It is to be a blueprint or rather a redprint for Corbyns nationalisation of the railways.

    It will be an interesting experiment - and if the WAG delivers on their promises then we should all get a better, cheaper and more reliable service that wont see our railways being run by a German company - whose profits go to Germany.

    Im all for it - if it works - which enough people have said it will.
    There are 3 bidders for the franchise. I'm presuming that, because transport issues won't be entirely devolved until 2018, that awarding the franchise still falls under current law from Westminster, even if the Welsh Government will be awarding the franchise.

    The reasons for ATW pulling out early (as opposed to late) could be interesting if divulged. Wales is crippled by the worst rolling stock of any rail franchise in the UK and a network that badly needs upgrading if significant improvements are to be had. Whoever takes over the new franchise are going to have huge problems to correct that won't come cheap. Mistakes made when the current franchise was awarded in 2003 are coming home to roost.

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    Re: I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it. Making a better service,no delays,no strikes, cheaper fairs & make a profit

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    There are 3 bidders for the franchise. I'm presuming that, because transport issues won't be entirely devolved until 2018, that awarding the franchise still falls under current law from Westminster, even if the Welsh Government will be awarding the franchise.

    The reasons for ATW pulling out early (as opposed to late) could be interesting if divulged. Wales is crippled by the worst rolling stock of any rail franchise in the UK and a network that badly needs upgrading if significant improvements are to be had. Whoever takes over the new franchise are going to have huge problems to correct that won't come cheap. Mistakes made when the current franchise was awarded in 2003 are coming home to roost.
    Have you ever thought the reason why companies dont invest in newer rolling stock ?

    I would guess that it is because there simply arent the commuters travelling to justify the spend, whereas maybe in the south east they have lots of customers and those customers have money - which is why they have got new rolling stock

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    Re: I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it. Making a better service,no delays,no strikes, cheaper fairs & make a profit

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Have you ever thought the reason why companies dont invest in newer rolling stock ?

    I would guess that it is because there simply arent the commuters travelling to justify the spend, whereas maybe in the south east they have lots of customers and those customers have money - which is why they have got new rolling stock
    I hinted at this in my post when I said that whoever takes over the new franchise are going to have huge problems to correct that won't come cheap.

    Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the Welsh Government to get a franchise that maximizes public spend. Profits don't get reinvested, so a franchise has to be developed that doesn't allow for huge profits and prioritises newer rolling stock and better timetables. Sadly, franchises don't encourage this, they encourage huge profits for doing as little as possible (unless government money is being spent).

    Newer rolling stock is a good investment in the long term. More reliable scheduling also has to be a priority. These help profits eventually.

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    Re: I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it. Making a better service,no delays,no strikes, cheaper fairs & make a profit

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I hinted at this in my post when I said that whoever takes over the new franchise are going to have huge problems to correct that won't come cheap.

    Ultimately, it's the responsibility of the Welsh Government to get a franchise that maximizes public spend. Profits don't get reinvested, so a franchise has to be developed that doesn't allow for huge profits and prioritises newer rolling stock and better timetables. Sadly, franchises don't encourage this, they encourage huge profits for doing as little as possible (unless government money is being spent).

    Newer rolling stock is a good investment in the long term. More reliable scheduling also has to be a priority. These help profits eventually.

    Franchises are businesses - they adhere to company law not Govt policy whims. They reinvest only where they can make a service more profitable. The opposite tends to be true of Govt run services, in the case of the Railways - there are those old enough to remember the utter uselessness of British Rail, lazy staff, strikes, crap service - and also not giving a sh1t because there was no competition for the service they were providing.

    ATW it seems have the highest subsidy amongst other train operators, 28million profit and reinvested 10% of it last year - probably just enough to meet legal commitments.

    The current system is sh1te, the future could be worse if run by the WAG, or it could be better if they can manage to find someone who wants to run the service and not make much profit. Any idea who the contenders to do this are ?

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    Re: I thought the WAG were going take control of the railways and run it. Making a better service,no delays,no strikes, cheaper fairs & make a profit

    What competition does ATW have?

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