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Thread: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

  1. #61

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I don't know about you but a Cardiff city team second in the league with a real chance of promotion getting crowds of less than 20 thousand is fecking worrying

    If we don't go up this season and are only mid table next year we will be getting gates like last night's on a regular basis

    If that doesn't worry you then that's fine but it fecking worries me and every Cardiff city fan I talk to

    You can be sure it's worrying the club , whatever your opinion
    Your reply doesn't relate to what I posted, of course

  2. #62

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Hilts View Post
    There s a decent proportion of younger fans in the Canton.
    Indeed. I just wonder how the numbers compare with yesteryear though.

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    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Louth View Post
    1. Stating the bloody obvious? My point is that 25 is too much. That's a major reason for low attendances.

    2. agreed.

    3. agreed.

    4. What's with the fixation with attendances anyway ? At the end of the day, it wont put feck all in my back pocket.
    1. 25 is one of the lowest in the division. Club need to find a good price point - the tickets can be as low as you want them to be, if the club can't afford the players as a consequence, club will plummet. Crowds then get even smaller.

    4. It's not about you, it's about the club. ST money is an up front cost. Walk up attendance low because people can't be arsed turning up if it's not a fiver to get in, then less money for the club - which then causes issues especially with FFP rules.

  4. #64

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    The people of South Wales are extremely fickle - that goes to the heart of this discussion. It's not a new phenomenon; it goes back many decades.

  5. #65

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life View Post
    1. That is a case of speaking the bleeding obvious. Sadly, fixing a price point for a business is a tad more complicated.

    2. Assholes have by and large reduced families coming, reduced sponsorship. Them wanting "atmosphere" generally means 90 minutes of eyeballing away fans rather than bothering to watch the football.

    3. Those going to away games but not home games are happy to give opposition clubs money but not the club they claim to support.
    Sorry but your second point just doesn't apply these days.
    There is virtually no trouble at CCS compared to the old days at Ninian Park.

    City have won family club of the year twice.

    There is a whole Family Stand where kids can go at cheap prices with their parents.

    In general football seems to have no problem attracting sponsorship at all. Though
    it is Premier League top heavy and is over reliant on betting firms , Sky and BT.

    My experience is that the assholes only appear at popular away games these days.

    So basically assholes are not the reason for low attendances.

  6. #66

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    16,000 is by no means a great crown but I don't see it as pathetic. How many turned up to watch Burton last night?

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    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    Sorry but your second point just doesn't apply these days.
    There is virtually no trouble at CCS compared to the old days at Ninian Park.

    City have won family club of the year twice.

    There is a whole Family Stand where kids can go at cheap prices with their parents.

    In general football seems to have no problem attracting sponsorship at all. Though
    it is Premier League top heavy and is over reliant on betting firms , Sky and BT.

    My experience is that the assholes only appear at popular away games these days.

    So basically assholes are not the reason for low attendances.
    I'm well aware of all that.

    Point being, we still have the reputation and like it or not, it'll take a long time for it to go.

    Look at recent Cardiff Council meeting - question about traffic / trains for the Joshua fight, questioner mentioned Cardiff - Millwall. Councillors groaned, guy said along the lines of "yes, the other fight in Cardiff".

    We've reduced trouble within the ground amazingly well. Some want to swap areas of the ground around for "atmosphere". Nothing to do with the increased chances of trouble...

  8. #68

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    16,000 is by no means a great crown but I don't see it as pathetic. How many turned up to watch Burton last night?
    Not a fair comparison. We had more than QPR , Hull , Reading though.

    Disappointing crowd.

  9. #69

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    I'll give you my honest position on this & you can do what you like with it, as these are the facts.

    I started supporting City in 1968. I attended when I could (living 45 miles away did not help) and as I played each Saturday, I was not in a position to watch each week.

    In 1998 I bought a season ticket and I held up until 2014. In those years I had up to 5 season tickets, my wife & 4 sons have all attended games, on those tickets, my one son in particular held a ticket for 10 years (his 1st game was the Leeds FA Cup game).

    I've seen City play 1000+ games and been to around 110 away stadiums. between '98 & '14 I was doing 45~50 games every season.

    Since '14 myself & my son now have membership & pick & choose games.

    The key was that I promised my wife that I'd give it up after 1 season in the top division, (this was around 15 years ago).

    So why give up the season ticket after all those years?
    - Play off final - done
    - FA cup final - done (every round)
    - League cup final - done (every round)
    - Top division - done - big let down - crap atmospheres at some grounds
    - 92 club nearly done (just the new boys + Carlisle!)
    - Malky's sacking & Tan's subsequent vitreol (I met Malky many times & really got to like him)
    - Walking across Stanly Park, an hour after the game with Don't sack Mackay still going
    - Red
    - Club ownership by a person without a clue!
    - My son going to University
    - Not writing every Saturday off spending up to 12 hours travelling to the the length & breadth (except Carlisle!)
    - Sterile football (I do miss Ninian Park)

    Basically it was a relief to stop going. 16 years of addiction. The first year was difficult but I now share my time between non-football, City, Forest Green Rovers (finishing the 92 club), Cinderford Town (rawness of non-league and being able to abuse players & referees & getting abuse back).

    I'm still City through & through, I've been on this website nearly 20 years and still watch Jeff Stelling having orgasms on Satrurday afternoons & the odd Tuesday.

    But I'm not shackled to the club anymore, I can & do pick & choose!

    Take your pick, comment away but them's the facts.

    Been it, done it, seen it, got bored of it & Malky got sacked, that's the crux.

  10. #70

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life View Post
    I'm well aware of all that.

    Point being, we still have the reputation and like it or not, it'll take a long time for it to go.

    Look at recent Cardiff Council meeting - question about traffic / trains for the Joshua fight, questioner mentioned Cardiff - Millwall. Councillors groaned, guy said along the lines of "yes, the other fight in Cardiff".

    We've reduced trouble within the ground amazingly well. Some want to swap areas of the ground around for "atmosphere". Nothing to do with the increased chances of trouble...
    Well the council guy is probably an egg fan.

    I really think your views are about 10 years out of date. Our assholes are away days only now.

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    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    Well the council guy is probably and egg fan.

    I really think your views are about 10 years out of date. Our assholes are away days only now.
    "My views"?

    My view is we still have a reputation. You think most people are aware of how well we've improved things? Of course not. I'm well aware assholes generally attend away only in the hope of trouble.

  12. #72

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life View Post
    "My views"?

    My view is we still have a reputation. You think most people are aware of how well we've improved things? Of course not. I'm well aware assholes generally attend away only in the hope of trouble.
    Then we shall agree to disagree.

    I could almost imagine you want to perpetuate the myth of our old Soul Crew days for
    some odd reason best known to yourself.Odd. Assholes have nothing to do with poor attendance.

    They don't exist at CCS anymore so try barking up another tree.

  13. #73

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life View Post
    "My views"?

    My view is we still have a reputation. You think most people are aware of how well we've improved things? Of course not. I'm well aware assholes generally attend away only in the hope of trouble.
    There probably are a small amount of people who dont bring kids due to our reputation. But these would be people who have never attended.
    Doesnt account for the disappearance of people in what was I believe a sold out Family Stand.
    Looks like several thousand have disappeared from there. I suppose some have moved on to other areas?

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    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWales View Post
    Then we shall agree to disagree.

    I could almost imagine you want to perpetuate the myth of our old Soul Crew days for
    some odd reason best known to yourself.Odd. Assholes have nothing to do with poor attendance.

    They don't exist at CCS anymore so try barking up another tree.
    You really are struggling to read, aren't you? My point is about the common view... there are plenty of other reasons as to why 10k didn't attend from the Leeds game. More Leeds fans were present, the rest simply didn't want to pay to get in...

  15. #75

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    16,000 is by no means a great crown but I don't see it as pathetic. How many turned up to watch Burton last night?
    It's pathetic

    Burton doesn't have a population of 350000 and a large catchment area and are not in the running for promotion

    I can only assume this post is a joke

  16. #76

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    Your reply doesn't relate to what I posted, of course
    What you posted was nonsense , I don't care a feck about people who don't have much interest in Cardiff city , I am talking about people like someone I know who just doesn't bother anymore who was season ticket holder the season before last


    Typical of so many of our fans

  17. #77

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    It's pathetic

    Burton doesn't have a population of 350000 and a large catchment area and are not in the running for promotion

    I can only assume this post is a joke
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cham...wettbewerb/GB2

    We are halfway down the list of attendances for Championship clubs this season.

    Certainly not great but by no means pathetic.

    In my opinion.

  18. #78

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt View Post
    Tan has to take some responsibility for the pathetic crowds, I think we're now starting to see the real impact of his catastrophic act of vandalism.

    Prices are good, performances are good, chances of promotion are good. Why has there been 6 sub 20000 gates and 1 sub 16000 gate this season? Kids for a quid last night too!
    Sometimes you talk about us as "you", then others you say we or we're. Can you keep your act consistent please. You can blame tan as much as you want, but if people like you stopped going at the outset rather than wait a year, he may not have continued with his decision. I blame you more than him.

  19. #79

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Thread started by a guy who admits he doesn't go every week, but expects others to. Priceless.

  20. #80

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cham...wettbewerb/GB2

    We are halfway down the list of attendances for Championship clubs this season.

    Certainly not great but by no means pathetic.

    In my opinion.
    Considering the size of the city , our league position and its catchment area it's poor support

    That's a fact , not an opinion

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    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cham...wettbewerb/GB2

    We are halfway down the list of attendances for Championship clubs this season.

    Certainly not great but by no means pathetic.

    In my opinion.
    Sludge has a very valid point. Large population in Cardiff, large catchment area. That needs to be factored in.

  22. #82

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Considering the size of the city , our league position and its catchment area it's poor support

    That's a fact , not an opinion
    It’s not great.its not pathetic either.

  23. #83

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    I reckon more. I also reckon that there are others who have come back who no longer have the same enthusiasm - they no longer have season tickets and no longer attend every home game. Once you realise there are other things out there than just football, I dare say it's not so easy to pick up where you left off.
    This is where I see myself, have been to a few games and will go to some more, but Football now has to fit in around other things I enjoy whereas previously, other things fitted in around football.

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    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    It’s not great.its not pathetic either.
    That 10k magically disappear from the Leeds gate... yeah it's pathetic.

  25. #85

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by ken smith View Post
    Thread started by a guy who admits he doesn't go every week, but expects others to. Priceless.
    I don't expect people to go every week ken , point me to where I have said that ?

    I realise the expense , other reasons etc that people can't afford a season ticket , don't live and breathe Cardiff city

    But we have enough of a support base to get more than 16000 for a game that put us in the automatic promotion play offs

    I was talking to one of the lads from the supporters club who is a steward on one of the coaches

    He said we need people supporting us now , not when we get to the premiership

    Last night's crowd was an embarrassment , it's as simple as that

  26. #86

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life View Post
    That 10k magically disappear from the Leeds gate... yeah it's pathetic.
    Not great, not pathetic.

    Hopefully, we are all allowed an opinion.

  27. #87

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    This is where I see myself, have been to a few games and will go to some more, but Football now has to fit in around other things I enjoy whereas previously, other things fitted in around football.
    That applies to every football club yet we are the ones getting shocking gates at the top of the championship

  28. #88

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Not great, not pathetic.

    Hopefully, we are all allowed an opinion.
    Ok it was a fecking awful crowd , shocking

    How's that ?

  29. #89

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Ok it was a fecking awful crowd , shocking

    How's that ?
    It was a very average crowd. Very, very average.

  30. #90

    Re: Less than 16000, pathetic crowd

    We're not a big club and we will never will be , in work its just about Man U , Liverpool and Wales , they dont seem to know if Cardiff exist or care, they spend there cash on top end television watching equipment and sports subscriptions and home
    and away Welsh games .

    Leeds played Sheff Utd , 30k rocked up .

    If we go up current season ticket holders should be given a loyalty discount and new season ticket holders pay for that discount on top of there ticket price .

    Last night probaly cost us a thousand fans , wiv yer ,trick n treating .

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