This is where I see myself, have been to a few games and will go to some more, but Football now has to fit in around other things I enjoy whereas previously, other things fitted in around football.Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
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This is where I see myself, have been to a few games and will go to some more, but Football now has to fit in around other things I enjoy whereas previously, other things fitted in around football.
I think a lot of " Redxit " stay aways painted themselves into a corner and now can't
come back as they'd lose face.
I never endorsed red or wore it but never stopped supporting the team either.
Tan has now made amends in my eyes at least.
This.
I felt sick at the scarfgate game
Watching us parading the championship trophy around the pitch after the Bolton game felt hollow, a forty year dream reduced to "oh well"
But I thought it was better to be inside the ground supporting the team, wearing blue than walking away to be replaced by a Man U fan.
I find it hard to trust Tan, but to err is human, to forgive divine. At least he can suck it up and wear a blue city shirt to games. Personal opinion, he fecked up, copped a load of deserved stick about it, listened to "the people" and has given us a competitive side playing attractive football. 18,000 people have moved on, to the few that can't, that is their right, I find it sad, but it's their choice.
I'd go along with this. At the time, those who stayed away (many extremely loyal) were replaced just like people said they would be. Once the success dries up, the people who attend for reasons other than success have started to be missed.
I am not saying 100% of the fan loss is down to Tan's antics in the years when he gave a damn. However, people here suggest it's negligible - that is ridiculous. It's easy to compare crowds this season with 2010-11 or 2011-12. The prices are the same, the team are getting better results. I've yet to hear any other reasons being given for the loss of numbers.
We can all offer anecdotal evidence if fans coming back, or fans not coming back. The fact is both sets exist, and if every fan returned, or if the effect is negligible, then please offer an alternative reason for the lower gates.
Making a comparison with the early part of this decade is important I feel. The first season Malky was in charge was probably the season where we were most united as fans (the season before red came along). We'd seen progress, by and large, season on season, and the fan base grew.
When we changed to red and were top of the table, looking like we were going to walk the division, new fans came along looking for promotion, replacing a considerable number that had left over the red shirt affair. When we got to the Premier League, we could have sold lots more tickets than we did, simply because some wanted to watch the Premier league and the big names. These new fans were hardly all that interested in Cardiff City as a lifelong addiction (many years in the top division might have created that but that's another story). Once we went down and it became obvious that a quick return was not going to happen, interest from the newbies wanes and disappears (as a rule).
I also wonder how much of an affect Russell Slade's team had on attendances. Slade was hardly a popular manager with many complaining about his style of play. We had a couple of big attendances in April 2016 but, by and large, our crowds had suffered. This isn't me having a dig at Slade - I'm just wondering if the number of fans on here, and that I've talked to, that got bored watching his teams is replicated. Are those who joined us during the season we won promotion more likely to disappear if they are bored or don't think we're going to return to the "promised land" anytime soon?
Ultimately I think our core fan base isn't probably as large as we think. However, we need the floating fans if we're going to have a go at promotion - they're essential in the Premier League, whether we like it or not.
If your equation of new outnumbering old is right, why are crowds lower?
Absolute classic.
Bloke that don't go to games bashing our attendances.
I'm off for a lie down.
Fair enough, and I reckon there are hundreds of people who watch fewer games than they once did. Your drop in attendance, like mine, coincided with the rebrand. The only difference being that I miss more games than you, but we probably were virtual ever presents for years until a key event happened.
When you get up, grab a hold of your senses. I am not bashing the crowds, I am offering reasons why crowds are so poor that go beyond an apathetic public.
I don't know about you but a Cardiff city team second in the league with a real chance of promotion getting crowds of less than 20 thousand is fecking worrying
If we don't go up this season and are only mid table next year we will be getting gates like last night's on a regular basis
If that doesn't worry you then that's fine but it fecking worries me and every Cardiff city fan I talk to
You can be sure it's worrying the club , whatever your opinion
Whats the answer then Sludge. A 10000 drop from the Leeds game.
If half turn up regularly we will be looking good.
I would have thought good results up to XMas will see some decent 1/2 ST sales
Next season i agree. A mid table side from the off and last nights crowd will be a good one.
In the past weve had ST sales boosted by Cup Finals and big money signings. I dont think we will get to the FA Cup and dont wont the cheque book thrown at it again.
I think the club is doing its best. Im not convinced our fan base are convinced we are serious contenders yet either. We have gone bargain basement rather than a Bellamy.
Your reply doesn't relate to what I posted, of course
I agree the crowds aren't great, but I remember rattling around in NP in the 80's with only about 7,000 to keep me company. Atmosphere was better then mind.
I'm not particularly worried about the attendances, I'm disappointed, but not unduly worried.
That was a luxury at times!
Yeah and your reason is wrong. 10000 missing from the Leeds game is not down to the owner.
Those missing because of the owner totals zero.
No longer fans and not coming back.
Nothing that can be done about them/you.
I think that total is negligible anyway.
What we need is getting our fans who stay at gome through the gate. The Leeds game show they are there
I disagree that the total is zero, but agree that 10,000 missing isn't down to Tan.
I think the question isn't so much finding out why 10,000 have gone missing, more what attracted the extra fans in the first place. Cheap tickets and the chance to beat Leeds, the league leaders, in the process is the answer (probably in that order). To me and probably most of us on here, whether we play Ipswich or Leeds or anyone (except possibly Swansea, Bristol City maybe or other close rivals), our interest in the game is the same. The occasional fan is more likely going to want to watch us play Leeds on a cheapie than watch us play Ipswich. Whether we like that or not is irrelevant, that's how it is.
The fans not going because of the owner are zero as they are no longer fans. A mate of mine who is a lot older than me was a big fan in the 70s. But stopped going years ago. Think he just lost interest.Hes no longer a fan. Like BIS an ex fan. Same as the Toshack lot. Ive a mate who quit when we left NP. None of these are coming back
Its those that still class themselves as fans that we need through the gate.
For that we need success or an attractive fixture.
10000 is still a big drop despite it being Leeds and cheap tickets.
I dont know if the club could have done a deal for the Saturday / Tuesday game be done as a package.
The problem is with reduced attendances we will have to sell. Probably more than just Ken as well.
Most of us will accept that though. Also no reason why we still couldnt do well. Makes it a lot harder though.
There s a decent proportion of younger fans in the Canton.
Indeed. I just wonder how the numbers compare with yesteryear though.
The people of South Wales are extremely fickle - that goes to the heart of this discussion. It's not a new phenomenon; it goes back many decades.
I'll give you my honest position on this & you can do what you like with it, as these are the facts.
I started supporting City in 1968. I attended when I could (living 45 miles away did not help) and as I played each Saturday, I was not in a position to watch each week.
In 1998 I bought a season ticket and I held up until 2014. In those years I had up to 5 season tickets, my wife & 4 sons have all attended games, on those tickets, my one son in particular held a ticket for 10 years (his 1st game was the Leeds FA Cup game).
I've seen City play 1000+ games and been to around 110 away stadiums. between '98 & '14 I was doing 45~50 games every season.
Since '14 myself & my son now have membership & pick & choose games.
The key was that I promised my wife that I'd give it up after 1 season in the top division, (this was around 15 years ago).
So why give up the season ticket after all those years?
- Play off final - done
- FA cup final - done (every round)
- League cup final - done (every round)
- Top division - done - big let down - crap atmospheres at some grounds
- 92 club nearly done (just the new boys + Carlisle!)
- Malky's sacking & Tan's subsequent vitreol (I met Malky many times & really got to like him)
- Walking across Stanly Park, an hour after the game with Don't sack Mackay still going
- Red
- Club ownership by a person without a clue!
- My son going to University
- Not writing every Saturday off spending up to 12 hours travelling to the the length & breadth (except Carlisle!)
- Sterile football (I do miss Ninian Park)
Basically it was a relief to stop going. 16 years of addiction. The first year was difficult but I now share my time between non-football, City, Forest Green Rovers (finishing the 92 club), Cinderford Town (rawness of non-league and being able to abuse players & referees & getting abuse back).
I'm still City through & through, I've been on this website nearly 20 years and still watch Jeff Stelling having orgasms on Satrurday afternoons & the odd Tuesday.
But I'm not shackled to the club anymore, I can & do pick & choose!
Take your pick, comment away but them's the facts.
Been it, done it, seen it, got bored of it & Malky got sacked, that's the crux.
What you posted was nonsense , I don't care a feck about people who don't have much interest in Cardiff city , I am talking about people like someone I know who just doesn't bother anymore who was season ticket holder the season before lastYour reply doesn't relate to what I posted, of course
Typical of so many of our fans
Apologies for not being psychic. However, the same thing applies. Someone has made a decision that you don't like but it's their choice, old fruit.
Sometimes you talk about us as "you", then others you say we or we're. Can you keep your act consistent please. You can blame tan as much as you want, but if people like you stopped going at the outset rather than wait a year, he may not have continued with his decision. I blame you more than him.
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