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    307 mass shooting

    In America so far this year. That's 309 days. A mass shooting is 4 or more victims. not including the shooter. Another church in Texas been targeted, 30 plus killed.

    Such a ****ed up country!

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    ****ing nra wankers

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    May God be with the people says trump

    There is no god you stupid twat

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    May God be with the people says trump

    There is no god you stupid twat
    After the previous massacre in Las Vegas, when asked if they need to tighten gun control, Trump, notorious for speaking before indulging his 'brain', said "We're not going to talk about that today". Wonder why? It's almost as if self interest was put to the fore.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41478293

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    May God be with the people says trump

    There is no god you stupid twat
    I'm sure even Trump is aware of the absurdity of the God myth, not a good political move to acknowledge it though.

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    The shootings aren't a gun issue, but a mental health issue according to the great man...
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uns/834879001/

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    Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House, tweeted that the people need our prayers right now.

    Given that the shooting happened in a church where people were already praying, I'm not sure what good it's going to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    The shootings aren't a gun issue, but a mental health issue according to the great man...
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uns/834879001/
    He's not so generous when it's a Muslim doing the killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    After the previous massacre in Las Vegas, when asked if they need to tighten gun control, Trump, notorious for speaking before indulging his 'brain', said "We're not going to talk about that today". Wonder why? It's almost as if self interest was put to the fore.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41478293
    It's not just like it's America where that stance is taken, Caroline Lucas was shut down when talking about climate change and the more extreme weather as a result leading to people losing their homes and lives. Her point was that continuing not to talk about it and letting it happen again shows far more disrespect than talking about it soon after the event.

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    Sadly, these shooting incidents in the States are so commonplace that they have ceased to be shocking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    I'm sure even Trump is aware of the absurdity of the God myth, not a good political move to acknowledge it though.
    In America, acknowledging the God myth makes you electable.

    It's seemingly getting worse out there, and there's very few politicians willing to risk their careers to tackle the insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt View Post
    In America, acknowledging the God myth makes you electable.

    It's seemingly getting worse out there, and there's very few politicians willing to risk their careers to tackle the insanity.
    The "bible Belt in the US has far too much influence, leading to absurd politics and even interference with TV series

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    After the previous massacre in Las Vegas, when asked if they need to tighten gun control, Trump, notorious for speaking before indulging his 'brain', said "We're not going to talk about that today". Wonder why? It's almost as if self interest was put to the fore.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41478293
    Trump is a complete disgrace

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    The "bible Belt in the US has far too much influence, leading to absurd politics and even interference with TV series
    You got it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt View Post
    In America, acknowledging the God myth makes you electable.

    It's seemingly getting worse out there, and there's very few politicians willing to risk their careers to tackle the insanity.
    God bless America

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    It's not just like it's America where that stance is taken, Caroline Lucas was shut down when talking about climate change and the more extreme weather as a result leading to people losing their homes and lives. Her point was that continuing not to talk about it and letting it happen again shows far more disrespect than talking about it soon after the event.
    Fair point

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    He's not so generous when it's a Muslim doing the killing.
    Well said that man

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House, tweeted that the people need our prayers right now.

    Given that the shooting happened in a church where people were already praying, I'm not sure what good it's going to do.
    My old dear is a massive Catholic , the number of times I have tried to have a reasoned debate with her about the god issue ! They are indoctrinated , my sister is the same and she's brought up her daughter into the silly nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by elytillidie View Post
    The shootings aren't a gun issue, but a mental health issue according to the great man...
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...uns/834879001/
    If there is one person out there with mental health issues , it's trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    My old dear is a massive Catholic , the number of times I have tried to have a reasoned debate with her about the god issue ! They are indoctrinated , my sister is the same and she's brought up her daughter into the silly nonsense
    I have a very good friend who leads an exemplary life and donates part of his salary to helping African schoolchildren through their schooling and he also fosters all sorts of children and without financial reward. However, his son, who is studying engineering and only recently rejected the Christianity foisted upon him, is now angry about the fact that he was indoctrinated with religion all his life. The exchanges between them are highly civilised but the bitterness is real. For my part, I think it's unethical for parents to indoctrinate their children regarding deities but the Church of Scientology seems to be very successful in converting adults, albeit with dubious practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    My old dear is a massive Catholic , the number of times I have tried to have a reasoned debate with her about the god issue ! They are indoctrinated , my sister is the same and she's brought up her daughter into the silly nonsense
    from another side of the argument, what harm are they doing ? ? ?

    Plenty of really decent people are religious, they do great jobs with charities ( home and abroad ) that are organised through the name of religion, would they would still do it if they were not part of religion ? ? who knows ? ? ? that must be a massive plus

    It is easy to knock any churchy-joe, but plenty give more than they take out of society, if they take comfort in the knowledge that the big man upstairs will look after them when they die / or they are reincarnated ( delete as applicable ) who are we to judge them

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    You don't have to be religious to be a good person , plenty of people do good things without the need to tell people they are a Christian or whatever , religious people do not have a monopoly on morality and acts of kindness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I have a very good friend who leads an exemplary life and donates part of his salary to helping African schoolchildren through their schooling and he also fosters all sorts of children and without financial reward. However, his son, who is studying engineering and only recently rejected the Christianity foisted upon him, is now angry about the fact that he was indoctrinated with religion all his life. The exchanges between them are highly civilised but the bitterness is real. For my part, I think it's unethical for parents to indoctrinate their children regarding deities but the Church of Scientology seems to be very successful in converting adults, albeit with dubious practices.
    I give money to homeless and mental health charities , I was brought up a Catholic but realised at the age of 13 it was nonsense

    I was going to confession and whilst the priest behind the grate was babbling on , all I could think of was the girl in year two I fancied and going fishing later that day

    Islam , the Catholic church etc all indoctrinate

    But Scientology is a cult and it amazes me intelligent people are sucked in by its nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You don't have to be religious to be a good person , plenty of people do good things without the need to tell people they are a Christian or whatever , religious people do not have a monopoly on morality and acts of kindness
    Absolutely!

    And to respond to the "reasoned debate" alluded above, you cannot have a reasoned debate with religious people.
    They've made up their minds, the only people who can change their minds are themselves.
    If you try to point out the absurdity of it all, they just dig their heels in deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobh View Post
    Absolutely!

    And to respond to the "reasoned debate" alluded above, you cannot have a reasoned debate with religious people.
    They've made up their minds, the only people who can change their minds are themselves.
    If you try to point out the absurdity of it all, they just dig their heels in deeper.
    I have given up , if I meet a woman who tells me she is a Christian , as if it's a badge of honour , I know it's a waste of time

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You don't have to be religious to be a good person , plenty of people do good things without the need to tell people they are a Christian or whatever , religious people do not have a monopoly on morality and acts of kindness
    that is not what i said though is it.

    i asked " would they would still do it if they were not part of religion " , of course we would never know, but the amount of charity work done in the name of religion is a fair amount that i see, from the project i am involved with in Zimbabwe to the " christmas shoebox " charity that we filled for the school last week, would these happen without religion ( though i must say the Zimbabwe gig is now completely independent of any religion )

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    that is not what i said though is it.

    i asked " would they would still do it if they were not part of religion " , of course we would never know, but the amount of charity work done in the name of religion is a fair amount that i see, from the project i am involved with in Zimbabwe to the " christmas shoebox " charity that we filled for the school last week, would these happen without religion ( though i must say the Zimbabwe gig is now completely independent of any religion )
    You might not have said it but I think a lot of religious people think they have a moral superiority over those of us who are not , I think deep down it's a social get together , a fashion parade etc every Sunday for people who deep down are afraid of death

    There may well be an afterlife , who knows but you don't have to be religious to be moral , kind and a good person

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    Exactly Sludge - The NRA support both democrat and republican so will always have the ear of the president.
    I wonder if they banned guns whether someone like the person who did this (an ex serviceman) would just do something like ISIS supporters do and make their own bomb instead ?

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    Have a look at Drury's Gun Shop of San Antonio (google). It explains the culture and what no politician would go against.
    As for him bring deranged, wasn't the NYC attacker deranged? Are you classed as deranged if youre white?

    He was ex- Air Force. The country has a fixation with 'Our Vets'. I always thought that a bit dumb.

    We'll be here in 6 months, 12 months etc talking of the same thing.

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    Iím Catholic but thatís my own reasons and I certainly hope Iím not some sanctimonious arsehole judging others for beliefs or non beliefs.

    Trump has done exactly what his audience wants him to say.
    The offender (as heís white) had mental health issues
    Thoughts and prayers
    No time to discuss gun control
    If another bloke didnít have a gun it would have been worse so thank God we have guns.

    Textbook Trump. What a ****ing arsehole.

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    What Trump and his his government and NRA mates don’t seem to realise is that it’s bad enough having normal people owning their own gun arsenal but to blame the latest shooting on the gunman’s mental state is ridiculous how can they let people like him have guns. He was kicked out of the USAF for assaulting his wife and child so he’s had previous FFS

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    USA: Where retrospective prayers are preferred to gun control. Says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    from another side of the argument, what harm are they doing ? ? ?

    Plenty of really decent people are religious, they do great jobs with charities ( home and abroad ) that are organised through the name of religion, would they would still do it if they were not part of religion ? ? who knows ? ? ? that must be a massive plus

    It is easy to knock any churchy-joe, but plenty give more than they take out of society, if they take comfort in the knowledge that the big man upstairs will look after them when they die / or they are reincarnated ( delete as applicable ) who are we to judge them
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-children.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You might not have said it but I think a lot of religious people think they have a moral superiority over those of us who are not , I think deep down it's a social get together , a fashion parade etc every Sunday for people who deep down are afraid of death

    There may well be an afterlife , who knows but you don't have to be religious to be moral , kind and a good person
    Nail on the head. Religion was invented for people who are afraid of death and can't understand the concept of death being the final part of the cycle of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Monk View Post
    Nail on the head. Religion was invented for people who are afraid of death and can't understand the concept of death being the final part of the cycle of life.
    I prefer Richard Dawkins explanation.
    For very good survival reasons, we as a species have evolved to (mostly) follow what our elders do, believe what they believe, and accept things as correct if they have always been done that way, even if you can't understand the reasons why, especially when we are children.
    This evolved susceptibility to taking on these deep beliefs as a child is throughout history exploited by people who wish to maintain control over the population.

    I'm explaining it badly, but I think Dawkins put it that religion is an evolutionary side effect that does more harm than good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Monk View Post
    Nail on the head. Religion was invented for people who are afraid of death and can't understand the concept of death being the final part of the cycle of life.
    Exactly my thoughts. Coming to terms with mortality is difficult, especially having been taught by clever adults that there is a heaven and a hell. But, it's an essential thing to come to terms with - and the end result has been liberating to me as an individual. I feel I actually appreciate life more now than when I believed there were places for the dead to go,

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    1. Nothing wrong with being Christian/Catholic/Jewish/Muslim/whatever
    2. It is how you live your life and treat others that is more important though
    3. The President swears an oath to defend the constitution. Part of that constitution is the right to bear weapons of mass destruction ergo any president that tries to amend the amendment is breaking a solemn oath = political suicide.
    4. When I looked at my news app earlier, I was amazed to see how far down the list this story had fallen. If the shooter had been Muslim, or black. This would be front page news.
    5. Yes, the shooter probably WAS mentally ill, unlike the completely sane terrorists who think they're going to end up with 72 virgins.
    6. As someone alluded to earlier. To get elected president, you gotta love Guns, God, the military and the good old US of A.

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    If you look on Twitter their arguments for gun control are crazy, including there's gun control in France but the Butaclan still happened, that's one! Not one every day.

    Others include; how will I protect my family and how will we fight back if the government turns to a dictatorship.

    Also for a country that goes on about freedom they are the biggest slaves in the western world, the amount they work with hardly any holidays is crazy.

    I love the country and the people I've met there are always great but their attitude towards politics and religion is mental. Their left wing makes the tories look like bleeding heart liberals.

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    Seems the shooter had been in a row with his mother-in-law and had three guns...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41892838

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    Quote Originally Posted by TH63 View Post
    1. Nothing wrong with being Christian/Catholic/Jewish/Muslim/whatever
    2. It is how you live your life and treat others that is more important though
    I disagree with statement 1, as unfortunately many treat membership as permission to behave in ways which run counter to freedom in society. This affects statement 2 i.e. what is right and what is wrong. In extremis you get suicide bombers, martyrs and fanatics of all faiths.

    Religion does not have a monopoly over this 'club' membership attitude e.g. the good old NRA lobby refusing to see the downside to everyone being allowed to be armed.

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