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    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    a book you may enjoy on the subject Jon by the late Christopher Hitchens
    god is not great : how religion poisons everything
    Superb book

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Superb book
    The wife got me it last Christmas mate
    i agree its a great read
    she ordered me one of his other books witch I'm waiting to be delivered
    Why ORWELL matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by ian gibson View Post
    That sums it up very well

    If god does exist , he's a complete ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    That sums it up very well

    If god does exist , he's a complete ****
    Enjoyed that little interview , what a very intelligent man Mr Fry is.
    The interviewers face was a picture

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    Surely free will relates to something I do as a person? What kind of person would deliberately infect a new-born baby with aids or give a child cancer, certainly not a loving God. If you are asking why would God allow this to happen, well that’s a different question and as I said in an earlier reply that’s one of the first questions I will have when I get to heaven.

    For now I reconcile myself to the fact that human beings are incredibly complicated biological machines. If they were non-biological machines of similar complexity then it would be amazing if they never went wrong and didn’t need repairing from time to time, or sadly, reach the stage of being beyond repair.
    Well kids do get home cancer and die young so clearly god is not loving or omnipresent or all powerful as he allows this to happen

    They say his son turned water into wine and fed the 5000 with loaves of bread and fish so surely his father can save young children , stop Hitler and Stalin etc ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Well kids do get home cancer and die young so clearly god is not loving or omnipresent or all powerful as he allows this to happen

    They say his son turned water into wine and fed the 5000 with loaves of bread and fish so surely his father can save young children , stop Hitler and Stalin etc ?
    It's interesting to note that many nonbelievers on here associate the concept of 'God' with the Abrahamist one, which is perhaps understandable due to the statistics at this point in history. For my part, all gods have the same status.
    It is also not without irony that Abrahamism is a wonderful example of schism upon schism and deep enmity between those endless schisms. It seems that the Abrahamism god not only has done nothing for 2,000 years but he can't keep his flock from fracturing and setting themselves against each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    It's interesting to note that many nonbelievers on here associate the concept of 'God' with the Abrahamist one, which is perhaps understandable due to the statistics at this point in history. For my part, all gods have the same status.
    It is also not without irony that Abrahamism is a wonderful example of schism upon schism and deep enmity between those endless schisms. It seems that the Abrahamism god not only has done nothing for 2,000 years but he can't keep his flock from fracturing and setting themselves against each other.
    ...and adopting different collections of literature as their guide along the way, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    ...and adopting different collections of literature as their guide along the way, of course.
    Our book is the truth , no it isnt, ours is !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    so so true Blue,
    his videos have me in stiches
    Him , Dawkins , Bill Hicks and George Carlin have it nailed , some of Ricky gervais stuff on religion and the Bible is very sharp

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Him , Dawkins , Bill Hicks and George Carlin have it nailed , some of Ricky gervais stuff on religion and the Bible is very sharp
    Bill Hicks and George Carlin they certainly nailed it
    I have only just discovered Dawkins (while reading Hitch) his vids on You tube another switched on man
    witch one of his books would u advice me on reading first sludge ?

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    I always find it ironic that some people who have survived a catastrophic event thank 'God' without bearing in mind that the same deity must have therefore decided that those who perished in the same event were not worthy of sparing.

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    This is a great book, it was sent to me to help cure me of all those silly conspiracy theories but it actually had the opposite effect, imo Sagan was very awake and it was pretty obvious to me that he could see a future for this planet that he didn't like..

    Carl Sagan - The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
    http://www.metaphysicspirit.com/book...ed%20World.pdf

    If you don't have time to read the whole thing there are some greats quotes from it..
    https://www.goodreads.com/work/quote...he-dark?page=2

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

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    Another potentially interesting thread descends into the same old stuff by the same 2 posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    Bill Hicks and George Carlin they certainly nailed it
    I have only just discovered Dawkins (while reading Hitch) his vids on You tube another switched on man
    witch one of his books would u advice me on reading first sludge ?
    The god delusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The god delusion
    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R View Post
    This is a great book, it was sent to me to help cure me of all those silly conspiracy theories but it actually had the opposite effect, imo Sagan was very awake and it was pretty obvious to me that he could see a future for this planet that he didn't like..

    Carl Sagan - The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
    http://www.metaphysicspirit.com/book...ed%20World.pdf

    If you don't have time to read the whole thing there are some greats quotes from it..
    https://www.goodreads.com/work/quote...he-dark?page=2

    “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
    Cosmos is a superb book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie View Post
    I always find it ironic that some people who have survived a catastrophic event thank 'God' without bearing in mind that the same deity must have therefore decided that those who perished in the same event were not worthy of sparing.
    He went to church , they didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I think the answer is in the above mentioned book. You can make people believe absolutely anything if you know how. It worked for around 2,000 years regarding religion, but I'm guessing that with the advent TV, radio & media, religion was allowed or even encouraged to die, as it had already served it's purpose. There is also the socialist/communist subversive element which included the destruction of religion as a core doctrine, but by this time the Tavistock Institute and others like Edward Bernays had already worked out how to replace it.

    Once you know the rules of the game the role of slogans, repeat messaging, news by ommision, nudge units, propaganda, misinformation/disinformation, conformation bias, bogeymen, etc, becomes very clear. We are like putty in the hand for those who have agendas and big ideas to implement
    Anyone who describes modern capitalism as an ugly prison gets my vote , sounds like a cracking read

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    I think the answer is in the above mentioned book. You can make people believe absolutely anything if you know how. It worked for around 2,000 years regarding religion, but I'm guessing that with the advent TV, radio & media, religion was allowed or even encouraged to die, as it had already served it's purpose. There is also the socialist/communist subversive element which included the destruction of religion as a core doctrine, but by this time the Tavistock Institute and others like Edward Bernays had already worked out how to replace it.

    Once you know the rules of the game the role of slogans, repeat messaging, news by ommision, nudge units, propaganda, misinformation/disinformation, conformation bias, bogeymen, etc, becomes very clear. We are like putty in the hand for those who have agendas and big ideas to implement
    The joy of government is that the people are stupid so said Adolf Hitler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Croesy Blue View Post
    Another potentially interesting thread descends into the same old stuff by the same 2 posters.
    People in this thread seem to be putting forward their thoughts an an articulate manner and without getting into personal spats and making ad hominem attacks. If you are the original Croesy Blue you should perhaps take note.

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    While we do not really have Religious threads as they always end up the same way, this one appears to have run without incident

    if anyone has / is taking offense at anything that has been written, then please PM me

  22. #22

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue matt View Post
    While we do not really have Religious threads as they always end up the same way, this one appears to have run without incident

    if anyone has / is taking offense at anything that has been written, then please PM me


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    Carl Sagan is trending on Twitter.

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