How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

[Igovernor]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...hicks-13867888

[The Bob Banker Spanker]

Poor child, absolutely sickening.
He probably won’t get out of prison alive.

[MacAdder]

I am no expert here but it's probably because it was not premeditated or he didn't mean to kill her.

Judging by his texts to his husband, he did not try to hide the fact he was struggling to cope but he did try to hide the facts in court.

Can't recall what cases exactly but there have been many where there is premeditation and lesser sentences passed.

I don't feel anything more than vitriol for the bloke and 'scumbag' pretty much describes him but he will have to live with this for the rest of his days.

I also disagree with some posters in that the system must take some blame for the death of this poor child.

[Igovernor]

I am no expert here but it's probably because it was not premeditated or he didn't mean to kill her.

Judging by his texts to his husband, he did not try to hide the fact he was struggling to cope but he did try to hide the facts in court.

Can't recall what cases exactly but there have been many where there is premeditation and lesser sentences passed.

I don't feel anything more than vitriol for the bloke and 'scumbag' pretty much describes him but he will have to live with this for the rest of his days.

I also disagree with some posters in that the system must take some blame for the death of this poor child.

He was charged with murder, that is premeditated, if it was not premeditated he would have been charged with manslaughter

[xsnaggle]

I am no expert here but it's probably because it was not premeditated or he didn't mean to kill her.

Judging by his texts to his husband, he did not try to hide the fact he was struggling to cope but he did try to hide the facts in court.

Can't recall what cases exactly but there have been many where there is premeditation and lesser sentences passed.

I don't feel anything more than vitriol for the bloke and 'scumbag' pretty much describes him but he will have to live with this for the rest of his days.

I also disagree with some posters in that the system must take some blame for the death of this poor child.

Premeditation is a requisite for a conviction for murder, therefore there must have been a degree of it, or recklessness or lack of care as to whether the child died or not. He was convicted of murder so at least one of those factors must be present, otherwise the charge would have been manslaughter.

If anyone reads th acrticle his sentence was life with a MINIMUM sentence of 18 years. That means he has to do at least 18 years with good conduct to even be considered for parole and I'd guess his chances of ever getting parole are pretty slim.
Still being homosexual I imagine he will find a few 'friends' inside.

[Wales-Bales]

Where were the social workers in all of this?

[Igovernor]

They are being investigated as this was not the first time that this poor tot was admitted to hospital, I expect the social workers will not even get a reprimand!

[Cleve van Leef]

They are being investigated as this was not the first time that this poor tot was admitted to hospital, I expect the social workers will not even get a reprimand!

They never ever admit responsibility, nothing ever changes, they never learn by mistakes made.

[lardy]

Where were the social workers in all of this?

It says that if one of the doctors had spotted the second fracture then there would have been an investigation and likely averted the tragedy.

However, I'd prefer to give 100% of the blame to the guy that actually did it rather than people here and there along the way.

[Igovernor]

Too true

[Wales-Bales]

It says that if one of the doctors had spotted the second fracture then there would have been an investigation and likely averted the tragedy.

However, I'd prefer to give 100% of the blame to the guy that actually did it rather than people here and there along the way.

The warning signs were there. He lied to a health visitor that one injury was address by a GP. This wasn't checked, even though the HV was with the same GP. A doctor also missed a 2nd fracture, which would have invoked a different response.

[lardy]

The warning signs were there. He lied to a health visitor that one injury was address by a GP. This wasn't checked, even though the HV was without the same GP. A doctor also missed a 2nd fracture which would have invoked a different protocol.

Easy job with hindsight isn't it?

[Wales-Bales]

Easy job with hindsight isn't it?

I thought veryfying statements was standard procedure? The HV was working at the same GP surgery.

[BLUETIT]

Where were the social workers in all of this?

Were they afraid of getting labelled homophobic if they reported him. ?

[lardy]

Were they afraid of getting labelled homophobic if they reported him. ?

I know a gay couple who have adopted and homophobia amongst the social workers is not an issue.

[Cleve van Leef]

I know a gay couple who have adopted and homophobia amongst the social workers is not an issue.

Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.

Why?

[Rjk]

Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.

Yes that is homophobic

[Llanedeyrnblue]

Were they afraid of getting labelled homophobic if they reported him. ?

Nail on the head

[Gofer Blue]

Where were the social workers in all of this?

Probably balancing the demands of dozens of other problematic cases at the same time.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Probably balancing the demands of dozens of other problematic cases at the same time.

Sadly true. I won't go into details on here, but I came close to losing a family member recently because of the strains social services are under. Easy to blame them but the whole system is overstretched.

[Heathblue]

Sadly true. I won't go into details on here, but I came close to losing a family member recently because of the strains social services are under. Easy to blame them but the whole system is overstretched.

Meanwhile, scumbags who have more money than could be imagined, still look to escape their tax responsibility, all legal of course!!, utter greedy kents

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Meanwhile, scumbags who have more money than could be imagined, still look to escape their tax responsibility, all legal of course!!, utter greedy kents

If you're taking the piss out of me here, I think it's in bad taste.

[I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS]

truly sickening
who vets the prospective parents ? you would hope the whole process would be vigorous
18 years is a joke he should never be let out ever let the evil scumbag rot

[qccfc]

truly sickening
who vets the prospective parents ? you would hope the whole process would be vigorous
18 years is a joke he should never be let out ever let the evil scumbag rot

Yeah of course the system is vigorous. However looking at the evidence is that the adoptive parent, became aggressive when he struggled to cope with the child's behavioral and sleep issues. You sometime find that foster and adoptive children will come to you with problem from the child's previous situation, and then also having to settle into a new environment.

No amount of vetting will find out how you will cope with this pressure. If your back ground is squeaky clean going through the whole process, no social worker would be able to see the future.

Social workers case loads are massive, and it tends to be the case that the workers will watch you initially and if there are no problems will leave you to it until they become notified of an issue. They then focus on their case load where reported problems occur.

The X-ray seemed to be a missed opportunity, but there will always be cases like this.