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Thread: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Poor child, absolutely sickening.
    He probably won’t get out of prison alive.

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    Where were the social workers in all of this?

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    They are being investigated as this was not the first time that this poor tot was admitted to hospital, I expect the social workers will not even get a reprimand!

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Where were the social workers in all of this?
    It says that if one of the doctors had spotted the second fracture then there would have been an investigation and likely averted the tragedy.

    However, I'd prefer to give 100% of the blame to the guy that actually did it rather than people here and there along the way.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Too true

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    truly sickening
    who vets the prospective parents ? you would hope the whole process would be vigorous
    18 years is a joke he should never be let out ever let the evil scumbag rot

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by I.8.POLITICAL.CORRECTNESS View Post
    truly sickening
    who vets the prospective parents ? you would hope the whole process would be vigorous
    18 years is a joke he should never be let out ever let the evil scumbag rot
    Yeah of course the system is vigorous. However looking at the evidence is that the adoptive parent, became aggressive when he struggled to cope with the child's behavioral and sleep issues. You sometime find that foster and adoptive children will come to you with problem from the child's previous situation, and then also having to settle into a new environment.

    No amount of vetting will find out how you will cope with this pressure. If your back ground is squeaky clean going through the whole process, no social worker would be able to see the future.

    Social workers case loads are massive, and it tends to be the case that the workers will watch you initially and if there are no problems will leave you to it until they become notified of an issue. They then focus on their case load where reported problems occur.

    The X-ray seemed to be a missed opportunity, but there will always be cases like this.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Where were the social workers in all of this?
    Were they afraid of getting labelled homophobic if they reported him. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Were they afraid of getting labelled homophobic if they reported him. ?
    I know a gay couple who have adopted and homophobia amongst the social workers is not an issue.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Igovernor View Post
    They are being investigated as this was not the first time that this poor tot was admitted to hospital, I expect the social workers will not even get a reprimand!
    They never ever admit responsibility, nothing ever changes, they never learn by mistakes made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUETIT View Post
    Were they afraid of getting labelled homophobic if they reported him. ?
    Nail on the head

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    I know a gay couple who have adopted and homophobia amongst the social workers is not an issue.
    Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    As Lardy says save your vitriol for hat utter **** who committed the act.

    Sadly our social worker, Cops, Probation Officers , medical staff are all under resourced and managing high workloads.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    It says that if one of the doctors had spotted the second fracture then there would have been an investigation and likely averted the tragedy.

    However, I'd prefer to give 100% of the blame to the guy that actually did it rather than people here and there along the way.
    The warning signs were there. He lied to a health visitor that one injury was address by a GP. This wasn't checked, even though the HV was with the same GP. A doctor also missed a 2nd fracture, which would have invoked a different response.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    The warning signs were there. He lied to a health visitor that one injury was address by a GP. This wasn't checked, even though the HV was without the same GP. A doctor also missed a 2nd fracture which would have invoked a different protocol.
    Easy job with hindsight isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by qccfc View Post
    Yeah of course the system is vigorous. However looking at the evidence is that the adoptive parent, became aggressive when he struggled to cope with the child's behavioral and sleep issues. You sometime find that foster and adoptive children will come to you with problem from the child's previous situation, and then also having to settle into a new environment.

    No amount of vetting will find out how you will cope with this pressure. If your back ground is squeaky clean going through the whole process, no social worker would be able to see the future.

    Social workers case loads are massive, and it tends to be the case that the workers will watch you initially and if there are no problems will leave you to it until they become notified of an issue. They then focus on their case load where reported problems occur.

    The X-ray seemed to be a missed opportunity, but there will always be cases like this.
    As a few posters posted mate, it was not the first time the poor mite was admitted to hospital and with being so so young
    I take it by your post qccfc you fostered or adopted children
    (I gotta say that's very admirable mate and not many could do that )
    maybe the training of the social workers is wrong ? I don't know
    maybe the whole process is wrong ?

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by lardy View Post
    Easy job with hindsight isn't it?
    I thought veryfying statements was standard procedure? The HV was working at the same GP surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.
    Why?

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.
    Yes that is homophobic

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    I am no expert here but it's probably because it was not premeditated or he didn't mean to kill her.

    Judging by his texts to his husband, he did not try to hide the fact he was struggling to cope but he did try to hide the facts in court.

    Can't recall what cases exactly but there have been many where there is premeditation and lesser sentences passed.

    I don't feel anything more than vitriol for the bloke and 'scumbag' pretty much describes him but he will have to live with this for the rest of his days.

    I also disagree with some posters in that the system must take some blame for the death of this poor child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt View Post
    Why?
    Was going to ask the same question.

    Would you rather a child go with a loving same sex couple or a modern equivalent of Fred and Rose West just because they are male and female?

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.
    Surely you are not serious?

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    As Lardy says save your vitriol for hat utter **** who committed the act.

    Sadly our social worker, Cops, Probation Officers , medical staff are all under resourced and managing high workloads.
    Spot on.

    The blame lies solely with the guy who killed her.

    Hopefully his every waking moment from now on will be a living hell - that will be the least he deserves.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    I am no expert here but it's probably because it was not premeditated or he didn't mean to kill her.

    Judging by his texts to his husband, he did not try to hide the fact he was struggling to cope but he did try to hide the facts in court.

    Can't recall what cases exactly but there have been many where there is premeditation and lesser sentences passed.

    I don't feel anything more than vitriol for the bloke and 'scumbag' pretty much describes him but he will have to live with this for the rest of his days.

    I also disagree with some posters in that the system must take some blame for the death of this poor child.
    He was charged with murder, that is premeditated, if it was not premeditated he would have been charged with manslaughter

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Igovernor View Post
    He was charged with murder, that is premeditated, if it was not premeditated he would have been charged with manslaughter
    Ah yes okay
    Could be he lied so much to try and wriggle out of it, saying he couldnt cope he may have got away with manslaughter on mental reasons. The ambulance call was a giveaway.

    Obviously has a screw loose.
    Deserves all that's coming to him.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef View Post
    Homophobic or not, same sex couples should never be allowed to adopt or foster.
    You stupid idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    Ah yes okay
    Could be he lied so much to try and wriggle out of it, saying he couldnt cope he may have got away with manslaughter on mental reasons. The ambulance call was a giveaway.

    Obviously has a screw loose.
    Deserves all that's coming to him.
    Good hope he hates every second of his time in side and rots like the scum he is.

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by qccfc View Post
    Social workers case loads are massive, and it tends to be the case that the workers will watch you initially and if there are no problems will leave you to it until they become notified of an issue. They then focus on their case load where reported problems occur.
    Nick Ferrari on LBC suggested to one caller that social workers need to do more homework by knocking on neighbours' doors and building up a profile of the people they are watching. He failed to mention how many extra social workers would be needed to afford the time for this, or the expense...

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAdder View Post
    I am no expert here but it's probably because it was not premeditated or he didn't mean to kill her.

    Judging by his texts to his husband, he did not try to hide the fact he was struggling to cope but he did try to hide the facts in court.

    Can't recall what cases exactly but there have been many where there is premeditation and lesser sentences passed.

    I don't feel anything more than vitriol for the bloke and 'scumbag' pretty much describes him but he will have to live with this for the rest of his days.

    I also disagree with some posters in that the system must take some blame for the death of this poor child.
    Premeditation is a requisite for a conviction for murder, therefore there must have been a degree of it, or recklessness or lack of care as to whether the child died or not. He was convicted of murder so at least one of those factors must be present, otherwise the charge would have been manslaughter.

    If anyone reads th acrticle his sentence was life with a MINIMUM sentence of 18 years. That means he has to do at least 18 years with good conduct to even be considered for parole and I'd guess his chances of ever getting parole are pretty slim.
    Still being homosexual I imagine he will find a few 'friends' inside.

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    Social services have an extremely difficult job. I know several people that work in the field and they are easily the most dedicated, conscientious people I know. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. On one hand they get blamed for not intervening quickly enough, on the other they are accused of being over zealous, of interfering and breaking families up. They certainly do not take incidences like this lightly and of course there are investigations with such cases, but short of monitoring people 24 hours a day, you can never ever guarantee that something like this won’t happen again.
    As others have said, there’s only one person guilty of causing that child’s death, and he’s in the right place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You stupid idiot
    People are allowed opinions Sludge without you being offensive.
    In an ideal world kids needing to be adopted or fostered, would find loving parents (male/female) and would be welcomed into a warm friendly safe household.
    Whilst same sex couples can also offer the above, you are, whether you like it or not, putting a child into unnatural surroundings..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Where were the social workers in all of this?
    Probably balancing the demands of dozens of other problematic cases at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofer Blue View Post
    Probably balancing the demands of dozens of other problematic cases at the same time.
    Sadly true. I won't go into details on here, but I came close to losing a family member recently because of the strains social services are under. Easy to blame them but the whole system is overstretched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Sadly true. I won't go into details on here, but I came close to losing a family member recently because of the strains social services are under. Easy to blame them but the whole system is overstretched.
    Meanwhile, scumbags who have more money than could be imagined, still look to escape their tax responsibility, all legal of course!!, utter greedy kents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    Meanwhile, scumbags who have more money than could be imagined, still look to escape their tax responsibility, all legal of course!!, utter greedy kents
    If you're taking the piss out of me here, I think it's in bad taste.

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    Anyone who has brought up a child knows that they can be very trying (the terrible twos comes to mind!). It requires a heck of a lot of love and patience, qualities that, in my opinion, are to be found more abundantly in women rather than men. Here was a situation where you have an adopted child effectively living with one adult male who is not the biological father (the male partner being away from home a lot it seems) and whose patience was probably stretched to the limit. Most kids including my own can be very trying as I’ve said but I don’t recall ever referring to them as “Satan in a baby-grow”. A truly tragic case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    If you're taking the piss out of me here, I think it's in bad taste.
    Not at all. and i'm unsure why you might have thought that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Treseder View Post
    People are allowed opinions Sludge without you being offensive.
    In an ideal world kids needing to be adopted or fostered, would find loving parents (male/female) and would be welcomed into a warm friendly safe household.
    Whilst same sex couples can also offer the above, you are, whether you like it or not, putting a child into unnatural surroundings..
    Opinions like that belong in the dark ages , it's an ignorant and idiotic thing to say

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    Re: How come this scumbaga life sentence is only 18 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Nelsonca61 View Post
    Meanwhile, scumbags who have more money than could be imagined, still look to escape their tax responsibility, all legal of course!!, utter greedy kents
    Totally agree , formula one world champion , stinking rich and he's still trying to grab more

    Makes me puke

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