My mother's local church talks a god game but ask them to put up a rough sleeper over Christmas and they would run a mileOriginally Posted by Organ Morgan.
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My mother's local church talks a god game but ask them to put up a rough sleeper over Christmas and they would run a mile
Clearing up a few of these tax loopholes which the mega rich use would help.
Sludge. Your hatred of the Conservatives is legendary on here, and Im not disagreeing with you, but if 90% of the wealth in the UK is owned by 10% of the people, how come they are in power most of the time, and when Labour are in charge, why do things never seem to get better? After all, if Labour did a better, fairer job of running the country then theyd surely stay in power longer?
They are as bad as each other.
Because, until recently, Rupert Murdoch decided who would win which election. It rarely has anything to do with policy, and almost always is Hobson's choice of "best of the worst".
Labour in 1997 were Tory Lite - I didn't vote for them after 1997 until 2010 because I thought Brown had the best plan to get out of the global financial crisis. I still think he had the best plan.
I couldn't vote for Miliband, and I didn't think I could vote for Corbyn but then I read his policies and he got my vote, and will get it again in the next election (February/March 2018).
For me, power and wealth have bought most of the media - those that have the most are able to impart the most influence over people. Brexit was a prime example of that where multi-millionaires were able to convince people to leave the EU. The Sun's record at "backing the winner" of general elections is strong (or influencing the electorate, your choice). The printed media's influence has been massive, though with the advent of social media, their power is on the wane.
Through this, people's opinion of Labour is that they'd crash the ecomony again. This myth (lie) has gone unchallenged for almost a decade and in general, people trust the Conservatives with the economy. It should be pointed out that, in opposition, George Osborne has said that he would have done exactly the same as Labour did and spent the same way had he been in power, yet the Conservative press were able to instill into the public a thought that Labour crashed the economy. That was mainly caused by bailing out the banks, which the Conservatives would have done. Had the Tories been in power between 2005-10, the economy would have been in virtually the same state as it was when they joined forces with the Lib Dems in 2010. (It's interesting to note that, despite nearly a decade of austerity, public spending has hardly dropped, yet the worst off have been the most affected while the top earners have had tax cuts; this will bite the Tories in the next election).
A friend of mine is a known economist and lecturer, whose name I shan't divulge. With regard Labour overspending causing a financial crisis, he discovered that the only organisation that claimed this was the Tories. Not one single independent financial organisation did (OBR, IFS etc), yet the right-wing media have pedalled these lines to the point where most believe them to be true.
I can think of one way of summing up the right-wing Tory media - newspapers so clever at manipulating people to think that immigrants and benefit scroungers have caused Britain to be in the state it is, yet have been involved with financial practices that have robbed the country of far more than any group they care to demonise and encouraging people to vote so they can continue doing this. The EU is set to announce major obstacles to the way the mega wealthy and corporations can avoid paying tax. No wonder the Mail, Express, Arron Banks etc wanted out and would do anything to achieve this.
It's all about the powerful and wealthy manipulating the rest of us.
We have never had a proper socialist Labour government , that's why , Blair was Thatcher in a suit
being a youngster compared to yourself sludge i have only known 1 labour government mate
witch was as you point out Blair and Brown
wasn't there socialist labour governments in the past then ?
Rubbish , the poor and disadvantaged are the least likely to vote , many are not even on the electoral register !!
As for spending money we didn't have , you have been reading too many right wing newspapers
Corbyn may not be everybody's cup of tea but he has shown there is a demand for democratic socialism in this country
People have had enough of market led capitalism and the economics of greed
but why are the poor and disadvantaged less likely to vote in your opinion ?
how do you define poor and disadvantaged ?
We have never had a true socialist Labour government
One day I hope we will
Because they feel powerless, have mental health problems , are homeless or badly housed
I define poor and disadvantaged according to Institute of fiscal studies data and information from organisations like the child poverty action group
i don't know how u can compare mental health issues with being poor i cant tie that one together sludge mate
and powerless there are times when everyone of us feels powerless
I'm sorry mate i think you have gone so far above my head I'm walking under it lol
can you break it down please
Brown and Blair were not socialists , Brown was a good man who made some poor decisions , Blair was a Tory
There have been labour governments in the past who were leaning towards democratic socialism but didn't quite get there
Harold Wilson was a good bloke
People with mental health problems are just about the most disadvantaged in society ......they are more likely to be out of work than any other group in society and amongst disabled people are those most likely to rely on benefits .......that's poori don't know how u can compare mental health issues with being poor i cant tie that one together sludge mate
and powerless there are times when everyone of us feels powerless
I'm sorry mate i think you have gone so far above my head I'm walking under it lol
can you break it down please
And you may feel powerless from time to time and you are right everybody does , but the poor and disadvantaged and vulnerable feel powerless and excluded from society every fecking day
Of people with long term health conditions like diabetes , lung problems , multiple sclerosis , heart disease etc , people with severe and enduring mental health problems are the least likely to be in work due to stigma and discrimination ........they are poor and powerless and often need a great deal of advocacy and support to live
Well I have been in the brand new unit in llandough as a patient and my experience is that the mental health services in Bridgend were far better , I am in a support group and many are not impressed with the new unit
Have you been admitted ?
By crash team you mean the crisis team
Addiction and self medication is a very complex issue , but that's beside the point , people with mental health problems are amongst the poorest and most excluded in society , whichever way you want to look at it
Well said
Yes well positioned , yet I still don't think as a labour voter more subsidized industry , borrowing , repealing of union law ,is the answer to our woes .
There are fewer beds in llandough than whitchurch had
The staff in the new unit are overworked and vary in their attitude towards those with mental health problems , the initial assessment team were ok but once you are transferred to a ward it's a different matter , some of the nurses were kind and caring , others sat there and ignored people in distress
The unit may be newly built but it certainly has many faults ......
How do you know it certainly meets the needs of people in the local area ?
What facts do you base this on ?........I don't mean a few stories about so and so
The patient advocacy service was dealing with several complaints when I was in there
The crisis team has to cover Cardiff, penarth , Barry , llantwit major, cowbridge and the rural vale reaching right up to Bridgend ......it's the role of the crisis team to prevent people going into hospital in the first place , I know of a young woman of 19 who was seriously ill and needed to be in hospital yet had to wait 24 hours for the crisis team to get back to her
What are you basing your comments .......the new unit certainly meets the needs of people in the area ......on ?
The evidence from service users , voluntary sector organisations and mental health advocates is not in line with your statement
I do
Nationalise gas , water , electricity , the trains , buses
By spending money on house building .....and I mean both private and council housing , and giving the workers more rights we will be a more civilised and fairer country
And people will still be able to afford the latest apple iphone for £1000 if they wish
Never confuse communism with democratic socialism
Agreed.
Also a great post by Jon.
We need to get away from all this talk of austerity. Under the Tories the well off had tax cuts. It was targeted austerity aimed at the weaker in society. Bloody disgusting.
is this a fact or just left wing rhetoric? i'd be interested to see where the rich have had their taxes cut?
Indeed , fecking disgraceful , the weakest in society can't fight back
That's why we need a safety net to care for them because you can bet your arse the conservatives won't
They will leave that to the neo con policies of the capitalist market place , where greed is good , money rules , the strong survive and scraps are thrown at the vulnerable
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Sludge you are living in fantasy land
The people have had enough of the free market and rampant capitalism
The house of cards will soon collapse
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