Since the Tories came in , rough sleepers on the streets has doubled

[Vimto]

The people have had enough of the free market and rampant capitalism

The house of cards will soon collapse

I think Netflix have pulled it.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I think Netflix have pulled it.

Was it any good ?

[Vimto]

Was it any good ?

Sadly, it was.
But hey ho.
We digress.

[dembethewarrior]

I would that counter that a little, the brand new facility over in Llandough for mental health is very good and certainly meets the needs of people in the area with mental health problems.

THE issue is people who refuse treatment and instead self medicate using drugs / alcohol. It is of little wonder they become homeless - as they have refused help (for any number of reasons), their employer will eventually sack them and the mortgage company repossess etc. I had a close friend who luckily has an understanding employer - he recently decided to not take his medication - and went back on the booze - he was sectioned (again) last month and is currently back on the medication.

What people with mental health problems need is the help of the support / crash team to call on - when they have lapsed. Once they become homeless, then they almost become contactless to the authorities, which is a spiral that is hard to break free from - unless they are forced to detox - which is not possible unless they are sectioned first.

You could build them a brand new house if you want but it wont help their addiction issues

You come across like a politician who's never seen any issues like this face to face..

(Apologies if wrong, but the way that's written...)

Edit..didnt get to the part about the friend as the bit before kind of had me screaming "politician"

I do apologise.

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[QU okOTE=dembethewarrior;4806661]You come across like a politician who's never seen any issues like this face to face..

(Apologies if wrong, but the way that's written...)

Edit..didnt get to the part about the friend as the bit before kind of had me screaming "politician"

I do apologise.[/QU

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Hasn't the government just taken on £70bn of housing association debt so that they can borrow this amount to build new stock?

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Well if they have that's good news but won't make much of a dent into the millions of council homes lost due to the right to buy .......which the Tories are still pushing in England ! The Tories said to the voters we are extending the right to buy to those living in housing association properties and we will replace every property sold by building a new one .....has it happened ?........has it feck

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Well if they have that's good news but won't make much of a dent into the millions of council homes lost due to the right to buy .......which the Tories are still pushing in England ! The Tories said to the voters we are extending the right to buy to those living in housing association properties and we will replace every property sold by building a new one .....has it happened ?........has it feck

how does RTB affect the total number of homes available for the people living in the UK? As far as I can see the only difference is the ownership of the home and not the actual numbers of housing stock available in the UK. The requirement for social housing is the same pre and post RTB.

[dembethewarrior]

Walking home from work lastnight, seen a bloke I know that sleeps rough in the park. He's got to be pushing 60. Park gates either side of town get closed in the evening so this fella has to climb over when he's ready to go in.
Not that anyone deserves to be on the streets, but I'd rather be a youngster than get to that age and be out on the streets.

There are places in town, but they breathalyse them going in. I do get it to a point, but an old harmless bloke has a drink can't get in, some kid who's probably smacked up...i don't think they do a piss teat to gain entry...

[joecity]

Hi demb mate. The guy you see could book into a 'wet houe'. There is a few around. Hostels that allow drink or if not the drink then an intoxicated user. Dont know where you live. Plenty of older guys especialyy those who like a drink tend to make their own way. Hostels have become fuller of young people and its a headache for older types. Changes to housing benefits to under 25s havent helped with this.

[dembethewarrior]

why is it the left are always those who go on about money then?

My sides are splitting here.

I can't get into any sort of political debate here as I'm useless...but aren't many of these Tory rich types "leaning right" ?

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My sides are splitting here.

I can't get into any sort of political debate here as I'm useless...but aren't many of these Tory rich types "leaning right" ?

being rich doesn't mean you bang on about wanting more money by doing nothing. The left are always going on about wanting more money and the way they get is is by changing the law, not by working harder, longer or smarter.

its not about being rich, there are plenty of no so rich who vote Tory, just like there are plenty of rich people who vote Labour it is all part of life's rich tapestry

[Nick]

Goon news - The UK built more than 200,000 new homes for the first time since the financial crisis, with an increase in numbers every year since 2012.

http://www.cityam.com/275871/uk-buil...rst-time-since

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Goon news - The UK built more than 200,000 new homes for the first time since the financial crisis, with an increase in numbers every year since 2012.

http://www.cityam.com/275871/uk-buil...rst-time-since

[jon1959]

Goon news - The UK built more than 200,000 new homes for the first time since the financial crisis, with an increase in numbers every year since 2012.

http://www.cityam.com/275871/uk-buil...rst-time-since

Better but not goon!

Way short of the Tories own annual housebuilding (including conversions) target - and the number of affordable new homes for sale or for rent is pathetic. Makes a nice headline but represents another year of failure!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8058091.html

[Nick]

Better but not goon!

Way short of the Tories own annual housebuilding (including conversions) target - and the number of affordable new homes for sale or for rent is pathetic. Makes a nice headline but represents another year of failure!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8058091.html

Humble apologies for the typographical error.

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being rich doesn't mean you bang on about wanting more money by doing nothing. The left are always going on about wanting more money and the way they get is is by changing the law, not by working harder, longer or smarter.

its not about being rich, there are plenty of no so rich who vote Tory, just like there are plenty of rich people who vote Labour it is all part of life's rich tapestry

Left and right, these terms are redundant mate
because no one is truly totally left wing or totally right wing
the vast majority of us flip flop slightly to the left and slightly to the right on different issues
and if we are honest and how these issues affect us personally that's where we go
and we all want more money, hence working overtime , taking on new clients , whatever the case may be

even from a concept standpoint as well

[dembethewarrior]

being rich doesn't mean you bang on about wanting more money by doing nothing. The left are always going on about wanting more money and the way they get is is by changing the law, not by working harder, longer or smarter.

its not about being rich, there are plenty of no so rich who vote Tory, just like there are plenty of rich people who vote Labour it is all part of life's rich tapestry

Everything the Tories do (Not on about voters here now) is to make more money.

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Everything the Tories do (Not on about voters here now) is to make more money.

no it isn't. in fact, this Tory government has taxed more than any other in history, has increased red tape and bureaucracy more than any other and is about as business friendly as McDonnell and Corbyn.

[dembethewarrior]

Hi demb mate. The guy you see could book into a 'wet houe'. There is a few around. Hostels that allow drink or if not the drink then an intoxicated user. Dont know where you live. Plenty of older guys especialyy those who like a drink tend to make their own way. Hostels have become fuller of young people and its a headache for older types. Changes to housing benefits to under 25s havent helped with this.

Wasn't aware of that. Bloke is harmless enough, not sure how long he's been sleeping rough, he does get spotted in a pub from time to time (I ain't going to judge that) he seems like a quiet enough fella. I'll look into it and pass the info on. It is of course possible that he doesn't want the help, but no harm passing on information.

[joecity]

Wasn't aware of that. Bloke is harmless enough, not sure how long he's been sleeping rough, he does get spotted in a pub from time to time (I ain't going to judge that) he seems like a quiet enough fella. I'll look into it and pass the info on. It is of course possible that he doesn't want the help, but no harm passing on information.

That's all you can do mate. Good stuff.

[dembethewarrior]

That's all you can do mate. Good stuff.

Could be any one of us one day. It's what I always tell my daughter too.

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how does RTB affect the total number of homes available for the people living in the UK? As far as I can see the only difference is the ownership of the home and not the actual numbers of housing stock available in the UK. The requirement for social housing is the same pre and post RTB.

Let's say there are 10000 council homes in a town

5000 of those , in the nice streets are sold off

The council now only has a stock of 5000 homes to provide for those in housing need , once these are passed onto the council

If you don't replace council housing that is sold like for like with new social housing , then a housing crisis develops

It really is very simple to understand , the institute of housing , housing policy experts , shelter and many other groups warned this was going to happen

What council's have left following right to buy is fewer housing to offer those in need and that which is left is often poor quality as the right to buy has been higher on the nice estates and lower on the rougher ones

The right to buy has created sink estates with poor quality housing and social problems

The need for social housing following right to buy is fecking enormous , waiting lists are massive , at an all time high for many councils

That's why so many have been forced into the badly managed private sector and the housing benefit bill has risen

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The issue was the deficit was running at >10% of GDP, which is a course for bankruptcy in the long run.


typically when the deficit is less than inflation adjusted growth the rising payments on debt is more than offset by the rising tax base to cover it.


it is one school of thought. not every school of thought advocates it.


it is hard to suggest what could happened if a Keynesian model had been adopted. It may have worked, ut may not. it is all supposition.

it really is crass to suggest working people voting Tory are voting against their own best interests. you have no idea what is in the best interests of the 13.7m or so who voted Tory in this years election. People vote for a myriad of reasons and not everyone is obsessed with money in the way those on the left are.

They are not social democrats - Blair was a social democrat, so was Brown and Milliband. Corbyn and McDonnell are very much further left. McDonnell is on R4 quite a lot and you only have to listen to him to see he is not an advocate of social democracy.

Is this a joke ?

[life on mars]

Is this a joke ?

Corbyn’s influences, are more Benn and marxist driven Ralph Miliband, he has been hugely critical of Labour’ s social history over the decades, and a huge chuck of that was based on a Social democratic platform , not perfect but with a social democracy objective.

I think the latest social democracy "badge" is an attempt to re brand and water down his stronger and real left views , as he and others of his current party need the votes from the middle ground,as its always been the political battle ground ,and they know that .

Its a pity he didn't show some of the alleged social democracy toward a real decent man in Hilary Benn , and applying the whip in the commons , I wonder what dad would think