Time to tell them to bugger off and not give them anything

[Eric the Half a Bee]

In cases like this it's common sense that rules tbh.

What would Britain gain from a decent Brexit deal? Best of both worlds, non EU trade and good deal with EU.

What would EU gain from a decent Brexit deal? Continued trade... BUT any decent Brexit deal would be a message to EU nations that, gasp, they can work effectively to the same level or better outside the EU.

So which side has it as a core interest to have Brexit fail? Clue; the entity is called EU.

But you don't get it that if Brexit fails, the UK will suffer big time as well.

The core interest is to get a deal that suits both UK and EU or Brexit is scrapped. A no deal is not in Britain's best interest, no matter how much you swallow from the right wing media.

[ccfc_is_my_life]

But you don't get it that if Brexit fails, the UK will suffer big time as well.

The core interest is to get a deal that suits both UK and EU or Brexit is scrapped. A no deal is not in Britain's best interest, no matter how much you swallow from the right wing media.

Of course I get that - which is why any post Brexit actions have to focus on increasing non EU trade over EU trade.

You seem to believe there's interest in EU for a deal that suits both. You seriously believe EU want that? They want to scupper Brexit, try to force a lousy deal. EU want to send a message to any other nation thinking of leaving.

I'm well aware many, like Corbyn, reject "no deal". That's a great negotiating tactic that, "we'll accept any deal or will cancel Brexit".

EU is very much on a downward curve; German economics dominating it and Merkel can't even form a government at the moment. When Britain leaves, others will have to step forward due to the loss of the net contributions. Can't see Germany being happy at having to burden that load even more.