Why are attendances so poor?

[TDA]

Exactly. 16400 for a Saturday game when in the top 3 is not down to "fickleness". Cardiff have never struggled for numbers when doing so well at this stage in a season.

Most of those giving reasons for low attendances are people who are still attending, so it's little more than speculation.

I stopped going after the promotion season - I could no longer identify with the club, it's fanbase (we won't miss you, you'll be replaced). If Tan hadn't tarnished the club's history (something I was always proud of, despite its lack of glamour) for reasons of superstition then I would still be attending along with 4 family members. People here seem to think we stopped going because we're fickle.

Until Tan, it always felt that the club needed my support. Tan then said he would be happy with 25% of the fan base leaving. That statement alone had an impact because now the club were saying to its fans/customers - "you're not really that important". For a club like Cardiff where loyalty is worn as a badge of honour, it was a pretty stupid thing to say from someone who had little respect for the fabric of the club. He said that when crowds were 26000. He's lost a lot of those and some were people who would not have been anywhere else than at Cardiff v Brentford on Saturday. There are lots of reasons that the crowds can't touch the 20000 mark - but it isn't down to apathy and fickleness alone.

Sorry, can't agree with that. TH63's list only goes back to 1970, but the seasons immediately preceding that also saw buoyant attendances, following decent league seasons and the European runs.

For the past 52 years I have witnessed regular wild fluctuation in attendances, depending on how well City are doing. Vincent Tan was still a youth selling newspapers in Malaysia or whatever he was doing when this trend was already in evidence. I dare say a few remain offended by the circumstances regarding the change to red, but not nearly in the numbers that would affect attendances that much.

No, you just have to face up to the fact that Cardiff City supporters are historically fickle.

[Badly Ironed Shirt]

Nothing to do with the rebrand nor Tan's wild proclamations. It's all because of some spurious reasons regurgitated by people who still attend.

Alfie Sherwood, TLG, Jordi Cule - off the top of my head these were people who attended religiously who have stopped attending. What were their reasons for not going?

[TH63]

Nothing to do with the rebrand nor Tan's wild proclamations. It's all because of some spurious reasons regurgitated by people who still attend.

Alfie Sherwood, TLG, Jordi Cule - off the top of my head these were people who attended religiously who have stopped attending. What were their reasons for not going?

Who's said it's got nothing to do with the rebrand?

Of course the rebrand had an affect, but the point stands, we are still averaging double the crowd that we had in the good old days at "the old lady"

Blaming the rebrand is lazy and inaccurate imho, just because that is YOUR reason, doesn't make it THE reason.

"spurious reasons regurgitated by people who still attend." Who says they are spurious?

We were asked a question and have tried to answer it with our opinions. All the reasons given previously are, I think, valid, but nobody is trying to claim that any one of them is the sole reason.

I think history has clearly taught us that our fanbase is fickle sadly.

Crowds clearly dropped after we were relegated, not so much the first season back in the championship, maybe because people had already bought their ST's in the hope that we'd stay up? The following seasons we entered the OGS/Slade/Trollope era which was never going to entice people back through the turnstiles.

Go up, in blue, and stay there and the crowds will be near 30k.