Tory promises to build more homes

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Don't believe a word of it , it's all to try and get votes

In 2014 the Tories announced the Starter Homes Initiative......to deliver 200000 homes to first time buyers

It was touted as a " major push " to help people on the housing ladder

Not one single house has been built under this initiative

Expect more bullshit today

What this country needs is not more houses to buy in the private market , it needs a massive social housing building programme .......helping out local councils

But they are obsessed with getting people to own their own homes when other countries in Europe like France and Germany have far more low cost rented housing

There is nothing wrong with renting your home from the local council .....and then passing it on to the next generation .....that's what happened in post war Britain

But the push of the right to buy and Thatcher's aim to change us into a " property owning democracy " ........basically a political move to get votes and weaken the power of local councils all at once ......tied in with pushing people into buying homes they have struggled to afford .......has caused a housing crisis

And this lot won't solve it as they have proved time and time again they talk the talk but don't walk the walk

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PHillip Hammonds jokes were good though eh? Fk me.

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Austerity hasn't shifted the deficit. He can make crap jokes all he wants.

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Stamp duty ?........ analysis from the panel on BBC budget special ?.......the main gainers will be those who already own a home !! So taxpayers money is being used to entice young people to vote Tory .....ie we are lessening the cost of you buying your first home .......but it helps existing home owners more than it helps the first time buyer !!..........what a shambles ......

We need social housing ! That means low cost housing for RENT

In 2011 the coalition government built 39000 social housing properties for rent

In 2016 ?...........5000



They are a bunch of fakes

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Stamp duty ?........ analysis from the panel on BBC budget special ?.......the main gainers will be those who already own a home !! So taxpayers money is being used to entice young people to vote Tory .....ie we are lessening the cost of you buying your first home .......but it helps existing home owners more than it helps the first time buyer !!..........what a shambles ......

We need social housing ! That means low cost housing for RENT

In 2011 the coalition government built 39000 social housing properties for rent

In 2016 ?...........5000



They are a bunch of fakes

Where as using tax payers money to pay teachers who teach socialism in the classroom and encourage children to ostracise the children of anyone who votes tory is presumably acceptable.

don't youthink any teacher who teaches politics in the classroom should be barred? Or is it OK if it's socialism they are teaching/

it's taxpayers money!!

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Where as using tax payers money to pay teachers who teach socialism in the classroom and encourage children to ostracise the children of anyone who votes tory is presumably acceptable.

don't youthink any teacher who teaches politics in the classroom should be barred? Or is it OK if it's socialism they are teaching/

it's taxpayers money!!

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more social houses were built in the last year of Thatchers reign than during the whole of the last Labour governments tenure.

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[QUOTE=ninianclark;4809293]Corbyn reading from a script (nothing wrong with that) but it sounds this is the first time he has read it.

He is now bringing Grenfell into it , desperate, very wide ranging and waffling .


Anyway - from what I heard :-

Abolition of stamp duty for first time buyers
300,000 additional homes in ENGLAND - but not till 2020's
Fuel duty frozen
NHS staff pay rises - new money
Tax allowance up to 11,850
higher rate 46,350
young persons rail card from 26-30 (not sure why though - 30 young person?)
Universal Credit changes - time reduced etc (cost 1.5 billion)

Growth forecast - downgraded to 1.5 (down from 2.0) - but the OBR have been wrong (very wrong in the past) - problem - aiming for 2% -

Borrowing to fall - but not at the same rate as is now.
Deficit reduction slowing down obviously

Growth / borrowing down - OBR thinks UK productivity will go down (not good)
National debt - 86% of national income this year - but will fall next year (peaked hopefully)
Health - extra 10 billion capital investment before 2020
Drink no change - but high strength booze up
Fags inflation +2%
Living wage up to £7.83
vehicle excise duty up for diesels

Overall view from me - some good - but sticking plaster on an open wound perhaps. Economy not as strong as people thought perhaps, hence he has slacked off trying to reduce the deficit / debt.[/QUOTE

This country is fecked under the capitalist Tories , it's as simple as that

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more social houses were built in the last year of Thatchers reign than during the whole of the last Labour governments tenure.

You don't think the last labour government were socialist do you feedback ?

Corbyn is what this country needs , not Tory light labour or more of the same from the conservatives

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That's what happens when you try and strangle it with years of austerity and now Brexit.

Well said that man

We will reap what we have sown , all this austerity and brexit is going to bite us on the arse big time , well I didn't vote for any of it

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Corbyn reading from a script (nothing wrong with that) but it sounds this is the first time he has read it.

He is now bringing Grenfell into it , desperate, very wide ranging and waffling .


Anyway - from what I heard :-

Abolition of stamp duty for first time buyers
300,000 additional homes in ENGLAND - but not till 2020's
Fuel duty frozen
NHS staff pay rises - new money
Tax allowance up to 11,850
higher rate 46,350
young persons rail card from 26-30 (not sure why though - 30 young person?)
Universal Credit changes - time reduced etc (cost 1.5 billion)

Growth forecast - downgraded to 1.5 (down from 2.0) - but the OBR have been wrong (very wrong in the past) - problem - aiming for 2% -

Borrowing to fall - but not at the same rate as is now.
Deficit reduction slowing down obviously

Growth / borrowing down - OBR thinks UK productivity will go down (not good)
National debt - 86% of national income this year - but will fall next year (peaked hopefully)
Health - extra 10 billion capital investment before 2020
Drink no change - but high strength booze up
Fags inflation +2%
Living wage up to £7.83
vehicle excise duty up for diesels

Overall view from me - some good - but sticking plaster on an open wound perhaps. Economy not as strong as people thought perhaps, hence he has slacked off trying to reduce the deficit / debt.

The stamp duty abolishment ? Predicted to lead to .....wait for it .....3000 first time buyers getting on the ladder .......fecking shambles

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Social care for the elderly ?

Feck all ..........don't get old for god's sake

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Are you sure the deficit hasnt been reduced ?

It has but he's put back .......again ......the time it will be zeroed........it was a pledge of the Tory led coalition to do this by 2015..........now it's 2022 !

In the meantime borrowing will be going up !!

You can trust the Tories with the economy !!!

Honest , they said so !!

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It has but he's put back .......again ......the time it will be zeroed........it was a pledge of the Tory led coalition to do this by 2015..........now it's 2022 !

In the meantime borrowing will be going up !!

You can trust the Tories with the economy !!!

Honest , they said so !!

How will Labour reduce the deficit? They certainly wont do it by borrowing an additional £500bn for their various loony but popular projects such as their renationalisation programme, increasing public sector pay and the abolition of student debt. The only way to raise the cash is to increase tax which is a counter productive measure. Every time a problematic issue is raised Labour's answer is to throw money at it which is not the answer if the economy is to survive.

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Brexit and low productivity leading to a predicted slowing of growth in the economy over the next five years .........less money from taxation

It's all going tits up and it will be the people at the bottom who get it in the neck

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Weren't they supposed to be clearing it by 2015 though? Then weren't they supposed to be clearing it by 2020? Now I see it's being said that the target has been adjusted to it being cleared by 2025 - I'm just trying to imagine what the reaction would be if a Labour government had to triple the length of time they said it would take to achieve one of their fundamental financial targets.

The daily mail , the sun , express , torygraph , sky news etc would be on them like a ton of bricks

However as it's the Tories messing up big time , they will let it lie

My mistake , it's even worse , the date for clearing the deficit is indeed 2025 , not 2022 as I initially said

That's ten fecking years later than the Tories promised in 2010 !!

What a bunch of charlatans !!

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The daily mail , the sun , express , torygraph , sky news etc would be on them like a ton of bricks

However as it's the Tories messing up big time , they will let it lie

My mistake , it's even worse , the date for clearing the deficit is indeed 2025 , not 2022 as I initially said

That's ten fecking years later than the Tories promised in 2010 !!

What a bunch of charlatans !!

I am sensing you may not be the conservative party's greatest supporter?

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I am sensing you may not be the conservative party's greatest supporter?

Corbyn could murder hundreds of puppies* and Sludge would praise it.

* Other defenceless young animals are available.

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The daily mail , the sun , express , torygraph , sky news etc would be on them like a ton of bricks

However as it's the Tories messing up big time , they will let it lie

My mistake , it's even worse , the date for clearing the deficit is indeed 2025 , not 2022 as I initially said

That's ten fecking years later than the Tories promised in 2010 !!

What a bunch of charlatans !!

OBR says it'll take until 2031 to clear the deficit. It also forecasts sub 2% growth for several years.

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How will Labour reduce the deficit? They certainly wont do it by borrowing an additional £500bn for their various loony but popular projects such as their renationalisation programme, increasing public sector pay and the abolition of student debt. The only way to raise the cash is to increase tax which is a counter productive measure. Every time a problematic issue is raised Labour's answer is to throw money at it which is not the answer if the economy is to survive.

We need to raise taxes

This country is obsessed with low taxation yet we crave public services , housing etc

You can't have both

Increase taxation to prime the economy and the deficit will reduce

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We need to raise taxes

This country is obsessed with low taxation yet we crave public services , housing etc

You can't have both

Increase taxation to prime the economy and the deficit will reduce

Increasing taxation doesn't prime the economy. It leads to higher unemployment and a lower tax tax take. Increased public services leads to higher expenditure and will add to the deficit and I thought you were complaining about the Tories failing to reduce the deficit in their planned period.

Just seen John McDonnel being embarrassed by Andrew Neil. Clearly the shadow Chancellor does't understand what borrowing means.

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We need to raise taxes

This country is obsessed with low taxation yet we crave public services , housing etc

You can't have both

Increase taxation to prime the economy and the deficit will reduce

Low taxation ?? 40% income tax, 12- 14% national insurance, then up to 20% VAT ? The f......g government already steals nearly two thirds of MY MONEY to generally waste and p.ss down the drain.

Tell you what, there's absolutely nothing stopping you sending a check to HMRC if you want to pay more tax - feel free..

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They reduced corporation tax - and the tax take from corporation tax went up.
Income tax allowance gone up from around 6,000 before you pay tax to 11,800 off before you pay tax - are you saying you want to increase taxes for individuals and companies ? , take money out of hard working peoples pockets in order to fund Corbyns dream - good luck with that mate.

What they do need is a law that makes large corps pay tax on goods and services bought in the UK - rather than paid in Ireland - you can blame the treaty of Maastright and the EU for that one.

No I am not saying that at all

Those earning decent money need to be taxed more but I am afraid we are too selfish as a country to accept that

It all started with Thatcher

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No I am not saying that at all

Those earning decent money need to be taxed more but I am afraid we are too selfish as a country to accept that

It all started with Thatcher

what do you mean by "decent money" mate
as have others have pointed out we are already being taxed to buggerry

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Increasing taxation doesn't prime the economy. It leads to higher unemployment and a lower tax tax take. Increased public services leads to higher expenditure and will add to the deficit and I thought you were complaining about the Tories failing to reduce the deficit in their planned period.

Just seen John McDonnel being embarrassed by Andrew Neil. Clearly the shadow Chancellor does't understand what borrowing means.

We have been hoodwinked into thinking getting the deficit to zero is the answer to our problems ....it's the Tories who have made that the key to their economic policy ........and it is they who have failed to deliver on this promise time and time again


I am a fan of Keynes , you are clearly not

You sound like a neo con to me , no wonder you have the views on taxation that you do

I would replace the current shadow chancellor but I agree with what he says and much of the country does too