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  1. #26

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    We need to raise taxes

    This country is obsessed with low taxation yet we crave public services , housing etc

    You can't have both

    Increase taxation to prime the economy and the deficit will reduce
    Low taxation ?? 40% income tax, 12- 14% national insurance, then up to 20% VAT ? The f......g government already steals nearly two thirds of MY MONEY to generally waste and p.ss down the drain.

    Tell you what, there's absolutely nothing stopping you sending a check to HMRC if you want to pay more tax - feel free..

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish View Post
    Low taxation ?? 40% income tax, 12- 14% national insurance, then up to 20% VAT ? The f......g government already steals nearly two thirds of MY MONEY to generally waste and p.ss down the drain.

    Tell you what, there's absolutely nothing stopping you sending a check to HMRC if you want to pay more tax - feel free..
    Cut the loopholes, ostracise evaders and aggressive avoiders as traitors and normal people won't need to pay any more than they do already.

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    The daily mail , the sun , express , torygraph , sky news etc would be on them like a ton of bricks

    However as it's the Tories messing up big time , they will let it lie

    My mistake , it's even worse , the date for clearing the deficit is indeed 2025 , not 2022 as I initially said

    That's ten fecking years later than the Tories promised in 2010 !!

    What a bunch of charlatans !!
    I am sensing you may not be the conservative party's greatest supporter?

  4. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    I am sensing you may not be the conservative party's greatest supporter?
    That's one way of putting it

  5. #30

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    I am sensing you may not be the conservative party's greatest supporter?
    Corbyn could murder hundreds of puppies* and Sludge would praise it.

    * Other defenceless young animals are available.

  6. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Weren't they supposed to be clearing it by 2015 though? Then weren't they supposed to be clearing it by 2020? Now I see it's being said that the target has been adjusted to it being cleared by 2025 - I'm just trying to imagine what the reaction would be if a Labour government had to triple the length of time they said it would take to achieve one of their fundamental financial targets.
    Wasn't that the Labour platform and election policy , borrow more ,not balance the books ,and why we are here now ?

  7. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    I saw a headline earlier where it said the Govt would be cracking down on companies who divert transactions overseas to avoid tax in the UK - facebook, apple Google etc

    I would love to see how they are going to do that - whilst we are still in the EU
    It also said it was going to raise a mere 200m. It sounds like they have said 'pay us some token amount to keep the plebs happy'.

  8. #33

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    Mike can you move this to the political forum please.

    There are some fools who still believe in politics.

  9. #34

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    Big companies pay little tax / have sweetheart deals whilst employing many ===> evil scum.

    Self employed getting paid cash in hand, not declaring it to evade tax ===> salt of the earth.

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    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Stamp duty ?........ analysis from the panel on BBC budget special ?.......the main gainers will be those who already own a home !! So taxpayers money is being used to entice young people to vote Tory .....ie we are lessening the cost of you buying your first home .......but it helps existing home owners more than it helps the first time buyer !!..........what a shambles ......

    We need social housing ! That means low cost housing for RENT

    In 2011 the coalition government built 39000 social housing properties for rent

    In 2016 ?...........5000



    They are a bunch of fakes
    Where as using tax payers money to pay teachers who teach socialism in the classroom and encourage children to ostracise the children of anyone who votes tory is presumably acceptable.

    don't youthink any teacher who teaches politics in the classroom should be barred? Or is it OK if it's socialism they are teaching/

    it's taxpayers money!!

  11. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by xsnaggle View Post
    Where as using tax payers money to pay teachers who teach socialism in the classroom and encourage children to ostracise the children of anyone who votes tory is presumably acceptable.

    don't youthink any teacher who teaches politics in the classroom should be barred? Or is it OK if it's socialism they are teaching/

    it's taxpayers money!!
    ??!

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    We have been hoodwinked into thinking getting the deficit to zero is the answer to our problems ....it's the Tories who have made that the key to their economic policy ........and it is they who have failed to deliver on this promise time and time again


    I am a fan of Keynes , you are clearly not

    You sound like a neo con to me , no wonder you have the views on taxation that you do

    I would replace the current shadow chancellor but I agree with what he says and much of the country does too
    My post was merely correcting your assertion that increasing taxation primes the economy. It does not. As to my voting habits I am a now a floating voter as I regard myself to be sufficiently astute to make up my own mind and not follow blindly one particular Party. Although I was a card carrying member of the Labour Party for many years I couldn't bring myself to agree with much Corbyn and Co have to offer especially as the solution is not to chuck money at any problem that might arise.

  13. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock View Post
    Mike can you move this to the political forum please.

    There are some fools who still believe there's fundamental differences between the political parties.
    I've edited your message in the interests of accuracy.

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Don't believe a word of it , it's all to try and get votes

    In 2014 the Tories announced the Starter Homes Initiative......to deliver 200000 homes to first time buyers

    It was touted as a " major push " to help people on the housing ladder

    Not one single house has been built under this initiative

    Expect more bullshit today

    What this country needs is not more houses to buy in the private market , it needs a massive social housing building programme .......helping out local councils

    But they are obsessed with getting people to own their own homes when other countries in Europe like France and Germany have far more low cost rented housing

    There is nothing wrong with renting your home from the local council .....and then passing it on to the next generation .....that's what happened in post war Britain

    But the push of the right to buy and Thatcher's aim to change us into a " property owning democracy " ........basically a political move to get votes and weaken the power of local councils all at once ......tied in with pushing people into buying homes they have struggled to afford .......has caused a housing crisis

    And this lot won't solve it as they have proved time and time again they talk the talk but don't walk the walk
    I am predominantly a labour voter but can’t say I agree with your views.

    I work for a large house builder and not only would we struggle to actually build that many homes as a country (there’s physically not enough trades to do the work required) councils can be highly inefficient and would not trust to build that many houses.

    Also, I don’t like the fact we have to put social houses on private developments. Undermines property ownership but that’s just my view.

  15. #40

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life View Post
    Big companies pay little tax / have sweetheart deals whilst employing many ===> evil scum.

    Self employed getting paid cash in hand, not declaring it to evade tax ===> salt of the earth.
    You posted something similar recently. Get off PAYE, stop being a tax donkey, get into something cash in hand, declare a fraction of it = more for you and yours, less for the state (i.e. everyone else).

  16. #41

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    I don't believe politicians promises TBH.
    I don't believe they even believe any of it either.

    Recent events ought to have taught us that much.

    A number of seasoned Political commentators seemed to describe today's events as 'successful' in as much as the current Gov't hoped to get through the day without too much mishap, backlash and difficulty. - What?!

    Just how low has the bar dropped?! - if that is considered a valid objective.
    They should be putting the Nation's interests first, not their own desperate survival.

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    I've edited your message in the interests of accuracy.
    Not me, I just want them to build enough fecking houses and stop talking about it.

  18. #43

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    I don't believe politicians promises TBH.
    I don't believe they even believe any of it either.

    Recent events ought to have taught us that much.

    A number of seasoned Political commentators seemed to describe today's events as 'successful' in as much as the current Gov't hoped to get through the day without too much mishap, backlash and difficulty. - What?!

    Just how low has the bar dropped?! - if that is considered a valid objective.
    They should be putting the Nation's interests first, not their own desperate survival.
    Hear Hear that man

  19. #44

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    I am predominantly a labour voter but can’t say I agree with your views.

    I work for a large house builder and not only would we struggle to actually build that many homes as a country (there’s physically not enough trades to do the work required) councils can be highly inefficient and would not trust to build that many houses.

    Also, I don’t like the fact we have to put social houses on private developments. Undermines property ownership but that’s just my view.
    You are missing a trick then. In my area it goes roughly like this -

    - Developer makes promise to include xyz
    - Developer then says "oh actually we can't" and the local authority says "oh darn, thanks for trying"

  20. #45

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Vimto View Post
    I don't believe politicians promises TBH.
    I don't believe they even believe any of it either.

    Recent events ought to have taught us that much.

    A number of seasoned Political commentators seemed to describe today's events as 'successful' in as much as the current Gov't hoped to get through the day without too much mishap, backlash and difficulty. - What?!

    Just how low has the bar dropped?! - if that is considered a valid objective.
    They should be putting the Nation's interests first, not their own desperate survival.
    tbf to the government a day where something doesn't go massively wrong is quite rare at the moment.

  21. #46

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    You are missing a trick then. In my area it goes roughly like this -

    - Developer makes promise to include xyz
    - Developer then says "oh actually we can't" and the local authority says "oh darn, thanks for trying"
    Such as? For us, it’s a Planning requirement

  22. #47

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Corbyn reading from a script (nothing wrong with that) but it sounds this is the first time he has read it.
    Just seem the beginning of his response on the news and it was truly woeful delivery.

  23. #48

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    There has been a media driven narrative for seven years that austerity was the only option. Austerity has failed. The national debt is considerably larger now than seven years ago. Osborne said the deficit would be cleared by 2015. He failed. So we continue to spend more than we bring in with tax receipts so the national debt continues to rise.

    Sadly this doesn’t bring back those that have committed suicide because their welfare benefits were stopped as they were allegedly fit for work. We have a friend who is going through a tribunal shortly. Her welfare payments have been stopped. She has breast cancer and had issues with her brain making it incredibly difficult for her to walk. Despite her doctor writing a letter supporting her all the way her welfare benefit was not reinstated. It is shameful. This is the reality of Tory Britain. Targeted austerity of the weak and disabled.

  24. #49

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Corbyn reading from a script (nothing wrong with that) but it sounds this is the first time he has read it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Cartman View Post
    Just seem the beginning of his response on the news and it was truly woeful delivery.
    Surely he would have heard most of this budget detail in real time - he seemed to be responding to points that he'd made written notes of - for some of the time. He warmed up a little after that I thought ;)

    But for anyone who prefers thigh slapping, arm waving and loud, laughable bollocks, Panto season is nearly here, as is Brexit 'negotiations'.

  25. #50

    Re: Tory promises to build more homes

    Quote Originally Posted by WJ99mobile View Post
    Such as? For us, it’s a Planning requirement
    Well for starters there was a development about 200m from my door. Agreed by local area because it was supposed to have a hotel, care home and commercial units. These vanished and they build 90 more flats.

    I saw program recently about property in london, I thought it was on channel 4 with phil spencer but I can't find it. He went to a couple of developments that were agreed based on them providing x number of 'affordable' units which never materialised.

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