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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...entre-13978846
Looks like I wasn’t so naive to be sceptical of the so called “homeless” motives after all, and that guy outside my local Aldi isn’t alone in his scamming, and taking advantage of people’s good nature.
Hmmmmmmm.
They ran a different story a fortnight ago that featured a survey which revealed of the 14 beggars in the City Centre just one was registered homeless.
I saw this and thought of sludge too.
With all the best will in the world, how is anyone supposed to know which is which?
So for fear of being ripped off people just ignore them all.
Sad but true. I’ve stopped giving to the fellas outside Aldi because one I know off definitely isn’t homeless, and I heard the other on his mobile phone telling the caller he “wasn’t going you be home for another hour”Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Do the beggars who present themselves as homeless but are not for fraud too. That'll concentrate a few minds.
The old offence used to be something like "obtaining percunary advantage by deception" in other words being a cheating bastard
This is the other story I mentioned earlier.
This is what a police operation discovered about 'aggressive beggars' on Cardiff's streets - http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...ssive-13921504
Simply solve homelessness and they will have to go home. Win Win.
Keep up at the back, you boy! Most of the beggars are not, repeat not homeless.
Exactly. If there were no homeless people then you could just assume correctly that people sat in town were just beggars and go about your business without feeling a bit sorry for them and giving them a pound or whatever, I
There will always be homeless people. Those who kip on the streets of Cardiff choose to. There's plenty of hostel places to accommodate them.
How many beds are in these hostels to accommodate them ?
No idea. But understand from an informed source that the Salvation Army joint is never full. There's another hostel too, Huggard something it's known by.
You're thinking of Ty Tresilian (Salvation Army) and the Huggard Centre.
Ty Tresilian is a longer-term hostel, the Huggard tends to be for 1 or 2 nights at most and both are full on a regular basis . The street homeless cannot just turn up and expect floor space (the chances of a bed in the Huggard are slim to none as far as I'm aware) in these places. There is a process that needs to be completed before you can even get through the door.
You need to present at Housing Options and make a homeless application - before finding out if there's room for you at a hostel that evening. Become homeless after 4pm or on a weekend? You're f**ked unless you're under 21 as there are no services in Cardiff readily available to help you escape sleeping on the street that evening.
Hope that helps.
Why is Sludge absent from this discussion? He's definitely not knelt in silent prayer at Mary Magdalene's church following that unsavoury incident the other week involving Gertrude the organist and a knockwurst sausage, and it's way too cold for a spot of dogging.
I have just awoken after a night of metal
Homelessness is a very complex issue , there are people begging and taking the piss but they are in a minority
My view is give them the benefit of the doubt and lob em a quid , if they are genuine then great , if they are con artists then no doubt one day they will get lifted
As for homeless provision , there is often so much violence , drinking , drug abuse and exploitation going on around the homeless shelters that some people feel safer on the streets and others are so ill mentally they can't cope with the environment
I have just awoken after a night of metal
Homelessness is a very complex issue , there are people begging and taking the piss but they are in a minority
My view is give them the benefit of the doubt and lob em a quid , if they are genuine then great , if they are con artists then no doubt one day they will get lifted
As for homeless provision , there is often so much violence , drinking , drug abuse and exploitation going on around the homeless shelters that some people feel safer on the streets and others are so ill mentally they can't cope with the environment
Since when did walesonline get interested in homelessness anyway, Usually full of articles purporting to be about business but which are just shameless plugs for start ups like Mrs Bucket.
Or Mrs Mop.. Can't remember the name sorry.
Fair enough. Funny choice to make though. Maybe the clever fake beggars catch the last train home leaving the daft ones to freeze their nuts off outside. The cold weather provision run by Cardiff Council gets full. Some are banned from hostels as well.. Do you honestly think that everyone kipping on the streets in sub zero temperatures chooses to. I dont reckon.
Don't forget getting a bed in a hostel is reliant on the hostel claiming housing benefit to pay for it. If your sanctioned then you can kiss that one goodbye.or you might not have any claim started cause you move around. Got no I.d. haven't got a bank account. Got a massive drink/drug problem so you can't keep appointments. It's a pretty shifty choice to choose to sleep out. Made by desperate people. Not exactly a laugh.
The thread is right though. Nor all beggars are homeless. I doubt they ever have been.
That's been common knowledge for a while they get dropped off my minders think uts got worse since eastern european have landed .
It always winds me up when politicians refer to the increase In the streets relating it to goverment policy, perhaps they should look deeper at the core of the issue such as easy entry to our country without a prospect of a job and finance to support , buy hey they won't tread near that one ,will they .
Not sure where you get this from, but this is a common misconception. Freedom of movement doesn't mean anyone from any part of the EU can come into Britain and do what they like. Immigrants that are EU citizens need a promise of work in order to be able to live here - they can't simply turn up and hope to find a job. They are also excluded from receiving benefits for a qualifying period, so they can't come over here and get their hands on money (different rules for asylum seekers, but we're not talking about them).
Also, an EU citizen out of work for 3 months in a country of which they are not a citizen (maybe passport holder too, don't know) can be legally sent back to their own country. Austria is an example of a country which enforces this rule pretty heavily by all accounts.
Basically, if there are issues with immigration of EU citizens in the UK, it's because of failings at our end which our government are in a position to sort out.
I was told bt a Romanian that they get round it by registering as a business, slef employed, then the whole family sells big issues.
What I can't get my head round is if the big issue is for genuinely homeless, why does the nmanagement allow the immigrants to sell it, given what the previous poster stated as fact.where they came from if the are not making a decent contribution to society.
I know a guy that sells it on Queenn St. He is a licenced street trader, isn't homelees and to my knowledge never has been.
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