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  1. #26

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN View Post
    Corbyn and Abbott-the dream team!!!
    I would get rid of her yesterday

  2. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    What about Thatcher's government ministers doing the same?
    You are wasting your time with this one Eric

  3. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    You are wasting your time with this one Eric
    Not quite. It's always interesting to see how many people have been indoctrinated by the right wing media.

  4. #29

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    That's not correct, is it? You're not taking the flow of demand for social housing into consideration or taking into account new applicants for social housing.

    Each year, people that live in social housing will end up not needing to. Each year, people that don't live in social housing will end up needing to.

    Take the amount of people no longer needing social housing to be the same as the number of people suddenly requiring social housing. If the number of council/housing association properties remains the same, then the people who no longer need social housing (through deaths, moving to better areas etc) end up having their properties taken over by those who need them.

    Suppose you sell off, say, 1000 homes and don't replace them. That means there's 1000 homes less for those who suddenly need to apply to live in social housing.
    Again you are wasting your time with feedback

    Bristol city council had nearly 50000 council homes before Thatcher came in , after the right to buy , the houses on the nice estates were sold , dramatically reducing the city's social housing stock , malpass talks about it in great length in his book on the subject

    Let's take Cardiff .......the council has say 20000 council homes , 15000 are sold

    You still have many people on the housing waiting list due to increasing population etc

    But now the council only has 5000 houses left to cope with the demand and those houses that are left are the poorer quality ones , in the less desirable areas , that nobody wanted to buy

    Hence stock of social rented housing has been reduced and that which is left is of poor quality , meaning people in housing need are all thrown together , creating ghettoes of poverty in-between the nicer council housing , which was often sold for a nice little earner during the property boom

    One landlord in London has about 300 ex council houses that he has bought and now rents them out for profit , getting rent from those unable to live anywhere else

    Fecking disgrace

  5. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    What about Thatcher's government ministers doing the same?
    There is a difference between talking to and sympathizing with.

  6. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    That's not correct, is it? You're not taking the flow of demand for social housing into consideration or taking into account new applicants for social housing.

    Each year, people that live in social housing will end up not needing to. Each year, people that don't live in social housing will end up needing to.

    Take the amount of people no longer needing social housing to be the same as the number of people suddenly requiring social housing. If the number of council/housing association properties remains the same, then the people who no longer need social housing (through deaths, moving to better areas etc) end up having their properties taken over by those who need them.

    Suppose you sell off, say, 1000 homes and don't replace them. That means there's 1000 homes less for those who suddenly need to apply to live in social housing.
    Non sequitur.

    If you sell off 1000 homes you reduce demand by 1000 also, as those former tenants no longer require social housing (as they own their home).

    The total housing stock doesn't change, the total number of occupiers doesn't change. What does change is the legal owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    What about Thatcher's government ministers doing the same?
    Are thatchers government going to be on the ballot paper any time soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    Again you are wasting your time with feedback

    Bristol city council had nearly 50000 council homes before Thatcher came in , after the right to buy , the houses on the nice estates were sold , dramatically reducing the city's social housing stock , malpass talks about it in great length in his book on the subject

    Let's take Cardiff .......the council has say 20000 council homes , 15000 are sold

    You still have many people on the housing waiting list due to increasing population etc

    But now the council only has 5000 houses left to cope with the demand and those houses that are left are the poorer quality ones , in the less desirable areas , that nobody wanted to buy

    Hence stock of social rented housing has been reduced and that which is left is of poor quality , meaning people in housing need are all thrown together , creating ghettoes of poverty in-between the nicer council housing , which was often sold for a nice little earner during the property boom

    One landlord in London has about 300 ex council houses that he has bought and now rents them out for profit , getting rent from those unable to live anywhere else

    Fecking disgrace
    Let's say Cardiff had 20000 before the sell off, with a demand of say 23000. Therefore the demand for new housing would be 3000.

    Now if 15000 were sold off the total social housing stock would fall by 15000 leaving 5000 social houses. However as the total demand has dropped from 23000 to 8000, and because there are 5000 social houses, we still have overall demand of 3000.

    Now whatever metrics you wish to apply (e.g. population growth) would apply irrespective of ownership. In other words, it doesn't matter if the population grows because any increase in demand will be equally applicable in both situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Not quite. It's always interesting to see how many people have been indoctrinated by the right wing media.
    Puerile. You were considered a more worthy adversary.

  10. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    There is a difference between talking to and sympathizing with.
    I sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians , that doesn't mean I support suicide bombers

    I sympathised with the plight of the Catholics in northern Ireland but I didn't support the bombing campaign

    I think you will find corbyn was the same

    Thatcher and major were involved in secret talks with the IRA for years !!!

    Unless you read the daily mail and Quentin Letts of course , then corbyn is a terrorist

  11. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I sympathize with the plight of the Palestinians , that doesn't mean I support suicide bombers

    I sympathised with the plight of the Catholics in northern Ireland but I didn't support the bombing campaign

    I think you will find corbyn was the same

    Thatcher and major were involved in secret talks with the IRA for years !!!

    Unless you read the daily mail and Quentin Letts of course , then corbyn is a terrorist
    Despite our political differences you are a decent man Sludge.

    I don't think Corbyn is despite appearances and I think his "sympathy" is not the same as yours.

  12. #37

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    Quote Originally Posted by TISS View Post
    Let's say Cardiff had 20000 before the sell off, with a demand of say 23000. Therefore the demand for new housing would be 3000.

    Now if 15000 were sold off the total social housing stock would fall by 15000 leaving 5000 social houses. However as the total demand has dropped from 23000 to 8000, and because there are 5000 social houses, we still have overall demand of 3000.

    Now whatever metrics you wish to apply (e.g. population growth) would apply irrespective of ownership. In other words, it doesn't matter if the population grows because any increase in demand will be equally applicable in both situations.
    Which bit of the simple , like for like equation I have given you don't you understand ?

    Not only has the selling off of council homes reduced the stock , it has also meant the quality of that which is left is poor

    I mean are you suggesting a professor of housing policy at a major university who has written extensively on the subject is wrong and you , an accountant , are right ?

    Why don't you e mail him ?

  13. #38

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    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda

  14. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
    Not quite. It's always interesting to see how many people have been indoctrinated by the right wing media.
    Ah the old right wing indoctrination ploy eh!!!!

  15. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Despite our political differences you are a decent man Sludge.

    I don't think Corbyn is despite appearances and I think his "sympathy" is not the same as yours.
    How is the pip situation going ?

    I have heard some right horror stories

  16. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi View Post
    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
    The Brighton bombing was the act of evil cowards

    But you can't have your cake and eat it .......Thatcher was talking to the IRA

  17. #42

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    How is the pip situation going ?

    I have heard some right horror stories
    Not a dicky bird yet.

    My wife has expressed her concerns to our doctor who told her "if you don't get it no one will" which is a bit of a mixed blessing to be honest!!

    She has only just come out if UHW after a six week stay and the physio were greatly concerned about her mobility which should help.

    I'm worried that she may be in again before Xmas.

    Ho hum.

    Sorry for deviating from thread people.

    Can't be bothered to mess about with PM

  18. #43

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi View Post
    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post
    Not a dicky bird yet.

    My wife has expressed her concerns to our doctor who told her "if you don't get it no one will" which is a bit of a mixed blessing to be honest!!

    She has only just come out if UHW after a six week stay and the physio were greatly concerned about her mobility which should help.

    I'm worried that she may be in again before Xmas.

    Ho hum.

    Sorry for deviating from thread people.

    Can't be bothered to mess about with PM
    I am really sorry to hear that

    A nurse I know suffered a blood clot which has left her housebound , barely able to walk and she has put on loads of weight

    She was refused the new benefit and was told to appeal but she couldn't deal with the stress , she's in a very bad way

    It's a disgrace , it really is

    However in your wife's case you must fight all the way and get an advocate to act on your behalf , taking it to tribunal if you have to
    Riverside advice centre in Cardiff are very good , Google them or I will dig out the number for you

    Take care mate

  19. #44

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi View Post
    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I am really sorry to hear that

    A nurse I know suffered a blood clot which has left her housebound , barely able to walk and she has put on loads of weight

    She was refused the new benefit and was told to appeal but she couldn't deal with the stress , she's in a very bad way

    It's a disgrace , it really is

    However in your wife's case you must fight all the way and get an advocate to act on your behalf , taking it to tribunal if you have to
    Riverside advice centre in Cardiff are very good , Google them or I will dig out the number for you

    Take care mate
    02920 341577

    Help and support with legal matters , housing and benefits , including filling in forms , appeals and representation at tribunals

    You will need to book a slot first , they have legal aid lawyers

    Lower cathedral road , Riverside , Cardiff

    If you are out of the Cardiff area , they will put you in touch with a local service

  20. #45

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi View Post
    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
    Quote Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY View Post
    I am really sorry to hear that

    A nurse I know suffered a blood clot which has left her housebound , barely able to walk and she has put on loads of weight

    She was refused the new benefit and was told to appeal but she couldn't deal with the stress , she's in a very bad way

    It's a disgrace , it really is

    However in your wife's case you must fight all the way and get an advocate to act on your behalf , taking it to tribunal if you have to
    Riverside advice centre in Cardiff are very good , Google them or I will dig out the number for you

    Take care mate
    02920 341577

  21. #46

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    It makes me laugh when right wingers bang on about Corbyn’s alleged terrorist links when we have a Tory Govt backed up by the ****ing DUP

  22. #47

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    Corbyn's answer to everything is to throw money into it. No wonder so many voted for him. If I was a student who was offered free tuition fees why would I vote for anyone else? However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation, buying out of PFI contracts, higher wages for public sector workers etc etc. Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work. Indeed lower taxes for the wealthy bring in more tax. Socialism doesn't work and has in some cases resulted in economic bankruptcy.

  23. #48

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi View Post
    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
    Quote Originally Posted by Pearcey3 View Post
    It makes me laugh when right wingers bang on about Corbyn’s alleged terrorist links when we have a Tory Govt backed up by the ****ing DUP
    Indeed

    Gay bashing terrorists who believe the world was created 10000 years ago

    As does Theresa may if her church attendance is anything to go by

  24. #49

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Corbyn's answer to everything is to throw money into it. No wonder so many voted for him. If I was a student who was offered free tuition fees why would I vote for anyone else? However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation, buying out of PFI contracts, higher wages for public sector workers etc etc. Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work. Indeed lower taxes for the wealthy bring in more tax. Socialism doesn't work and has in some cases resulted in economic bankruptcy.
    How did the socialist Govt fare from 1945 onwards do you think? Was it socialism or capitalism that bankrupted us in 2008?

  25. #50

    Re: True socialism is the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi View Post
    Get on the comedians son , remember the Brighton bombing , or was this Daily Mail propaganda
    Quote Originally Posted by Vindec View Post
    Corbyn's answer to everything is to throw money into it. No wonder so many voted for him. If I was a student who was offered free tuition fees why would I vote for anyone else? However in the real world it is unclear where the money is going to come from for things like rail privatisation, buying out of PFI contracts, higher wages for public sector workers etc etc. Taxing business and the wealthy simply doesn't work. Indeed lower taxes for the wealthy bring in more tax. Socialism doesn't work and has in some cases resulted in economic bankruptcy.
    It worked in the post war period , it can work now

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