True socialism is the answer

[Organ Morgan.]

Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .

What do you mean try collectivism? That's what we have now. Witness the 'I am my neighbour's keeper' Welfare State we have.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .

The problem with most of the public services still left is that you cannot manage them as a private, profit seeking company.

[Croesy Blue]

Try collectivism Sludge , that maybe preferential to full on bollocking Socialism. It's an idea but unfortunately neither will succeed . All the problems in our social and health services come from complete mismanagement. We waste so much public money it is staggering. If a political party addresses this , I would be all over it like a rash .

Massive under funding has been the main issue. It's almost like the NHS is being made to fail so it can be privatised.

[Croesy Blue]

Can you explain what you mean by this?


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I'be forgotten the name of it but the railway that runs the east coast of England was nationalised for one year and made a decent profit the 2 years either side is was privatised and made huge losses.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I'd suggest there's a big ****ing difference between the PM talking and a gobshite opposition backbencher doing so.

FFS, if a Tory invited a group of terrorists into HoC after a bombing targetting Labour government, you'd be yelling from the rooftops about it.

Corbyn's lies about getting involved to aid peace have been destroyed by everybody else actually involved.

You sure about that now ?

And what do you think about Theresa may sucking up to the Saudis , selling them arms which are used to kill innocent people in the Yemen or end up going to ISIS , of which there are plenty of supporters in Saudi ?

As we are talking terrorist links , shall we debate the role of the current government in the middle East ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

Tony Blair pretended to be a labour politician , don't be confused by a name

The proof is in the pudding

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Tony Blair pretended to be a labour politician , don't be confused by a name

The proof is in the pudding

This thread is absolute proof that people get brainwashed by the right wing media that control the views in the UK.

[Rocco Siffredi]

In your dreams pal , just spend twenty minutes on twitter and look at the replies to gay boy Owen Jones and it is not the media that is ripping Corbyn a new one . Google Camden Council .no more to be said

[jon1959]

In the post war years until 1952 , we had a true socialist government under the great Clement Attlee

That's what we need to get back to , a society for all of us

Since Thatcher turned up , the free market has destroyed all sense of society and caring for people less fortunate than ourselves

Today greed , self interest rule and everything that isn't nailed down has been sold

The railways , public utilities , etc and the NHS is next

Forget may , forget Cameron , forget new labour and it's pretend caring side

The country needs someone like corbyn

If he can get rid of the hangers on , we might turn around the never ending race to the bottom and me me me culture we have seen envelop this country

Happy Christmas , especially to the poor , those sleeping on the streets and the marginalised in society

Good post, Sludge.

I'm not sure Attlee was a socialist, but he was at least a social democrat with energy, vision and determination. The post war Labour government seized the moment to transform the economic and social order and put people, respect and decency before imperialism and profiteering. It is a different world today and in some ways more difficult to bring about generational change in one country (and harder to build like Attlee than dismantle like Thatcher) but Corbyn's Labour is at least starting to dictate a lot of the political debate.

Corbyn is another traditional social democrat. Always has been - despite some of the Mail-lite rubbish posted in this thread - but that's probably what is needed just now.

[Former Labour leader]

In the post war years until 1952 , we had a true socialist government under the great Clement Attlee

That's what we need to get back to , a society for all of us

Since Thatcher turned up , the free market has destroyed all sense of society and caring for people less fortunate than ourselves

Today greed , self interest rule and everything that isn't nailed down has been sold

The railways , public utilities , etc and the NHS is next

Forget may , forget Cameron , forget new labour and it's pretend caring side

The country needs corbyn

If he can get rid of the hangers on , we might turn around the never ending race to the bottom and me me me culture we have seen envelop this country

Happy Christmas , especially to the poor , those sleeping on the streets and the marginalised in society

Edited

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Good post, Sludge.

I'm not sure Attlee was a socialist, but he was at least a social democrat with energy, vision and determination. The post war Labour government seized the moment to transform the economic and social order and put people, respect and decency before imperialism and profiteering. It is a different world today and in some ways more difficult to bring about generational change in one country (and harder to build like Attlee than dismantle like Thatcher) but Corbyn's Labour is at least starting to dictate a lot of the political debate.

Corbyn is another traditional social democrat. Always has been - despite some of the Mail-lite rubbish posted in this thread - but that's probably what is needed just now.

The Tory media and the establishment are running scared of corbyn , if he can get rid of McDonald and Abbott , who are both liabilities , he has a chance

[Former Labour leader]

The Tory media and the establishment are running scared of corbyn , if he can get rid of McDonald and Abbott , who are both liabilities , he has a chance

I assume you mean my pal John McDonnell. Clever fellow, stop reading the Daily Mail Sludge. On the other had, Diane. Good shag but cant say much more about her.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

In your dreams pal , just spend twenty minutes on twitter and look at the replies to gay boy Owen Jones and it is not the media that is ripping Corbyn a new one . Google Camden Council .no more to be said

Gay boy ?

Well I think that term says it all

Thanks for your input

[Organ Morgan.]

This is with Abbott in situ.

Labour open up eight-point lead over Conservatives in latest opinion poll - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8089156.html

[Rocco Siffredi]

The sindy ain't worth a wank pal , try a neutral pollster .

[Organ Morgan.]

The sindy ain't worth a wank pal , try a neutral pollster .

Don't get het-up about Brit political parties or ideologies 'cos they all bend the knee to the most powerful ism of all, banksterism.

[City123]

The sindy ain't worth a wank pal , try a neutral pollster .

Survation, the only pollster to get the last Election right, gave Labour an 8 point lead. Survation provide polls for the Socialist lefty Trotsky tree hugging gender gays at... the Mail on Sunday

Happy now?

[Former Labour leader]

I am pretty close to the action down my way. If there was an election any time soon Labour will slaughter the Tories. The troops are on the ground ready and waiting. The Tories have nothing to offer, no ground troops, just the right wing media supporting them. Next time that will not be enough.
JEZZAAAAAAA ......................................

[Rocco Siffredi]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815461]Gay boy ?

Well I think that term says it all

Thanks for your input

Sorry , queer arse, banging , momenentum throbbing knob jockey is what I really wanted to come out with , take that lefty

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

[QUOTE=Rocco Siffredi;4815482]

Gay boy ?

Well I think that term says it all

Thanks for your input

Sorry , queer arse, banging , momenentum throbbing knob jockey is what I really wanted to come out with , take that lefty

Again thanks for taking the time to show us your homophobia

It's a fact that a fair proportion of blokes who throw about such verbal abuse are in fact in the closet homosexuals

Do you play for man united , or man city ?

Do you spend a lot of time pumping iron with the other boys down the gym ?

Just a thought

[Rocco Siffredi]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815486]

Again thanks for taking the time to show us your homophobia

It's a fact that a fair proportion of blokes who throw about such verbal abuse are in fact in the closet homosexuals

Do you play for man united , or man city ?

Do you spend a lot of time pumping iron with the other boys down the gym ?

Just a thought

Funny ****er . You disappeared when you wires in your brain short circuited . Now the tablets have kicked in you are giving it large thank the NHS . Once the commie gets his mitts on it , god help everyone . Just treat this as a football forum and stop peddling left wing shit . Cheers

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

[QUOTE=Rocco Siffredi;4815512]

Funny ****er . You disappeared when you wires in your brain short circuited . Now the tablets have kicked in you are giving it large thank the NHS . Once the commie gets his mitts on it , god help everyone . Just treat this as a football forum and stop peddling left wing shit . Cheers

I rather think he doth protest too much my lord

Thanks for your valuable and well reasoned input

It's been most revealing

[xsnaggle]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815629]

I rather think he doth protest too much my lord

Thanks for your valuable and well reasoned input

It's been most revealing

you still bang on about tory propaganda but feel no shame in peddling your own and trying to vilify anyone wh isn't a left wing socialist.
But of course, as I said in an earlier thread, when it's right wing it is scandalous but when it's left wing it needs to be done to educate the 'masses's

[Mr Soul '68]

[QUOTE=Rocco Siffredi;4815512]

Funny ****er . You disappeared when you wires in your brain short circuited . Now the tablets have kicked in you are giving it large thank the NHS . Once the commie gets his mitts on it , god help everyone . Just treat this as a football forum and stop peddling left wing shit . Cheers

You really are a vile sack o' shite aren't you ???

[Mr Soul '68]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815486]

Again thanks for taking the time to show us your homophobia

It's a fact that a fair proportion of blokes who throw about such verbal abuse are in fact in the closet homosexuals

Do you play for man united , or man city ?

Do you spend a lot of time pumping iron with the other boys down the gym ?

Just a thought

Ol' Rocco comes across as one of those rugger bugger blokes, who likes sticking his head up another guys arse in the scrum, but makes out he is a "real" (whatever that is) man

He can't beat you in a political debate so he has to turn to pathetic name calling. How childish, how pathetic, how infant school playground like