True socialism is the answer

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Which countries currently come under the umbrella of 'True Socialism'?

[Organ Morgan.]

Which countries currently come under the umbrella of 'True Socialism'?

None do. Communism, Fascism, Capitalism and Socialism are different badges for the exact same thing: continued rule by a relatively tiny elite class. I remember Chavez in Venezuela claiming he was different and would live in a terraced house - he chose to reside in the Presidential Palace instead.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Its blindingly obvious. Socialist Worker Party and Momentum both have very strong communist sympathies and want to overthrow the government by any means necessary. Corbyn relies on these people for support. Len Mclusky is a well known red and they are one of Labours main financial supports. Corbyns left hand man (Mcdonnell) is openly a communist idealist and wants the state to run everything. Corbyn is just a sap of these people and has been put in as a figurehead to con the British people. Oh and by the way I havent been indoctrinated by the right wing media to think this way (patronising or what ?). I made up my own mind after watching him in 'action' with his cronies. The country would go down the pan with him in charge of it.

Overthrowing this sham of a government, propped up by a bunch of religious lunatics from northern Ireland would be a bloody good thing in many people's opinion

They are squabbling like kids between themselves , have a useless leader and are making a right balls up of this brexit process

Chuck em out I say

Let's see if Theresa may fancies another election ?

The last one went well for her

Strong and stable

[dml1954]

Overthrowing this sham of a government, propped up by a bunch of religious lunatics from northern Ireland would be a bloody good thing in many people's opinion

They are squabbling like kids between themselves , have a useless leader and are making a right balls up of this brexit process

Chuck em out I say

Let's see if Theresa may fancies another election ?

The last one went well for her

Strong and stable

How can Labour run the country. They lost the last election and the next one isnt for 4 years. Even without DUP the Conservatives have more seats. Are you in denial, like Corbyn and Mcdonnell or do you advocate ovethrowing the elected government, like Socialist Worker does.

[Eric Cartman]

Its blindingly obvious. Socialist Worker Party and Momentum both have very strong communist sympathies and want to overthrow the government by any means necessary. Corbyn relies on these people for support. Len Mclusky is a well known red and they are one of Labours main financial supports. Corbyns left hand man (Mcdonnell) is openly a communist idealist and wants the state to run everything. Corbyn is just a sap of these people and has been put in as a figurehead to con the British people. Oh and by the way I havent been indoctrinated by the right wing media to think this way (patronising or what ?). I made up my own mind after watching him in 'action' with his cronies. The country would go down the pan with him in charge of it.

The tricky bit these days is trying not to be sensationalist since it is all we hear normally. The Tories all want to kill poor people and anyone who votes for Corbyn wants to overthrow capitalism. It is what people do when they want to shut down debate.

[Auntie Andy]

The tricky bit these days is trying not to be sensationalist since it is all we hear normally. The Tories all want to kill poor people and anyone who votes for Corbyn wants to overthrow capitalism. It is what people do when they want to shut down debate.

You forgot to say the Tories want to kill ill people as well. My mother and father have just had a visit from a woman from CAPITA. My father has had 4 major operations for throat cancer, almost died on the operating table. Was fed through a tube via his stomach for several years. Can now eat thank goodness but lives mainly on angel bloody delight. Has had a heart attack, an abdominal aortic aneurysm and has COPD.

They have just been on the telephone to me in floods of tears. The woman was rude, wouldn’t let them speak and answer questions fully, she was abrupt and nasty to them.

I would add before any of the usual suspects on here say it, my father has worked all his life from the age of 16 he is not a scrounger, never has been and never will be.

This Tory government are an absolute bloody disgrace and if I could get my hands on any of them and or that bloody woman, I swear I would lose it.

RANT OVER and CAPITA hasnt heard the end of it.

Capitalism in the form it is in in this country at the moment absolutely stinks.

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You forgot to say the Tories want to kill ill people as well. My mother and father have just had a visit from a woman from CAPITA. My father has had 4 major operations for throat cancer, almost died on the operating table. Was fed through a tube via his stomach for several years. Can now eat thank goodness but lives mainly on angel bloody delight. Has had a heart attack, an abdominal aortic aneurysm and has COPD.

They have just been on the telephone to me in floods of tears. The woman was rude, wouldn’t let them speak and answer questions fully, she was abrupt and nasty to them.

I would add before any of the usual suspects on here say it, my father has worked all his life from the age of 16 he is not a scrounger, never has been and never will be.

This Tory government are an absolute bloody disgrace and if I could get my hands on any of them and or that bloody woman, I swear I would lose it.

RANT OVER and CAPITA hasnt heard the end of it.

Capitalism in the form it is in in this country at the moment absolutely stinks.

Get in touch with Riverside advice centre in Cardiff , best wishes

This government is a disgrace

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[QUOTE=Mr Soul '68;4815753]

Ol' Rocco comes across as one of those rugger bugger blokes, who likes sticking his head up another guys arse in the scrum, but makes out he is a "real" (whatever that is) man

He can't beat you in a political debate so he has to turn to pathetic name calling. How childish, how pathetic, how infant school playground like

Pointless debating with people with such backward attitudes Mr soul

Keep rocking

[Mr Soul '68]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815757]

Pointless debating with people with such backward attitudes Mr soul

Keep rocking

Always sludgey, I'll always keep on rocking on the free world, as Mr Young once sang

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[QUOTE=Mr Soul '68;4815761]

Always sludgey, I'll always keep on rocking on the free world, as Mr Young once sang

Kayrdiff !

[Rocco Siffredi]

[QUOTE=Mr Soul '68;4815760]

You really are a vile sack o' shite aren't you ???

Ah Soul 😜

[Rocco Siffredi]

Excellent , what day do we vote ?

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[QUOTE=xsnaggle;4815834]

you still bang on about tory propaganda but feel no shame in peddling your own and trying to vilify anyone wh isn't a left wing socialist.
But of course, as I said in an earlier thread, when it's right wing it is scandalous but when it's left wing it needs to be done to educate the 'masses's

I am all up for debate but calling someone a gay lord lefty in this day in age is when I knock it on the head

That's the sort of playground nonsense that's best left to kids , as they don't know any better

Have a good evening comrade

[xsnaggle]

[QUOTE=SLUDGE FACTORY;4815838]

I am all up for debate but calling someone a gay lord lefty in this day in age is when I knock it on the head

That's the sort of playground nonsense that's best left to kids , as they don't know any better

Have a good evening comrade

I thoink you'll find that was someone else not me. And I'm not a comrade and never will be, as I meantioned I've seen the aftermath of 'comradeship'. I'm still tryingt to get my wife out of it.

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[QUOTE=xsnaggle;4815847]

I thoink you'll find that was someone else not me. And I'm not a comrade and never will be, as I meantioned I've seen the aftermath of 'comradeship'. I'm still tryingt to get my wife out of it.

I know it wasn't you , you quoted him when you replied , if you care to look


I will keep the red flag flying


You take care

[Feedback]

Which bit of the simple , like for like equation I have given you don't you understand ?

Not only has the selling off of council homes reduced the stock , it has also meant the quality of that which is left is poor

I mean are you suggesting a professor of housing policy at a major university who has written extensively on the subject is wrong and you , an accountant , are right ?

Why don't you e mail him ?

I am saying that whilst the social housing stock has reduced, so has the demand by an equivalent amount.

[Feedback]

How did the socialist Govt fare from 1945 onwards do you think? Was it socialism or capitalism that bankrupted us in 2008?

It was neither. It was consumerism.

[Feedback]

You still haven't addressed the issue of new people wanting social housing. Youngsters moving out of family homes, couples splitting and one needing accomodation, etc etc.

By your logic we never need more housing as demand always stays the same. Bollocks.

There is little point in debating if you are going to put words into my mouth that is unrelated to what I have written.

Firstly, I have not said demand will always be the same. What I said was that whatever factors affect demand will be present if the sale happens or otherwise. For example, the population increase is not linked to RTB - it is independent of it and it would be foolish to suggest it is.

Whatever factors that drives demand you wish to come up with will be independent of RTB

[Feedback]

Domestic violence leading to women with children fleeing to a women's aid hostel then needing housing .....let's call the council ......this woman is vulnerable and in priority need because she has children .....

Council ? Oh sorry we have been forced to sell them

Let's say the council still owned the stock. This house you wish to place the battered wife....where do you suggest the current occupiers live?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

I am saying that whilst the social housing stock has reduced, so has the demand by an equivalent amount.

Well that's not correct is it ?

If all things remain equal , everything is fine but society is not like for like

Relationship breakdown , domestic violence etc ........suddenly you have a mother and three children thrown onto the waiting list ......that four bedroom house that would have been handed back to the council has now been sold and has not been replaced .........so where are this woman and her children going to live ?

[Feedback]

Demand is bound to stay the same if the population has only increased by multi millions. Oh!

I don't think anyone has suggested demand stays the same. What has been said is that demand is the same in both cases. That is, RTB does not affect demand for new housing.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Let's say the council still owned the stock. This house you wish to place the battered wife....where do you suggest the current occupiers live?

We build more social housing to house people , that's the inherent problem in the first place

Throw in the right to buy and you have the perfect storm

[Feedback]

Well that's not correct is it ?

If all things remain equal , everything is fine but society is not like for like

Relationship breakdown , domestic violence etc ........suddenly you have a mother and three children thrown onto the waiting list ......that four bedroom house that would have been handed back to the council has now been sold and has not been replaced .........so where are this woman and her children going to live ?

Lets assume the council had thw property to place the battered wife. Where are you suggesting the current occupiers are moved to?

[Feedback]

We build more social housing to house people , that's the inherent problem in the first place

Throw in the right to buy and you have the perfect storm

Since the lack of building new housing stock is the same in both cases the issue is not RTB it's the fact we haven't built enough houses.

[Feedback]

Yes.

An older person passing away would leave a council house for someone on the waiting list to be homed in. A person passing away who has bought their property will pass their house on to family etc. If that house hasn't been replaced by the local authority, then there is one less property to go to someone adding themselves to a waiting list.

The family who currently live in the former council house after it's been passed down - where would these people be housed if the house was never sold off?