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Thread: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

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    David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    That there are no impact assessments on Brexit, not for any sector. He's previously said there about 50, some of which go into excruciating detail.

    Reassuring, eh?

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Yes Labour opposition very bad very bad. Now that's out of the way...

    Take a look at David Davies talking to the Committee. He didn't say anything like that. He pretty much just shrugged his shoulders and said we got nothing, not even an attempt to bluff his way out.

    This isn't petty political point scoring, I've got no idea if Keir Starmer (or whatever his name is) has made any comments. Davies looks like a man who's had enough of it all, and I can't say I blame him personally. But feck me, it's nearly 18 months since the referendum result!

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    I have to say I find the notion of us having to reveal everything is madness and the word negotiating is key perhaps Kier should chat with is main funding friends Unite as they know a lot about not revealing all your cards or have a running commentray , would be nice if Labour would support as all they are doing is delaying our agreement and probaly seeing industry and jobs going in this period of hesitancy.

    I also think Europe spin doctors are using Labour to make the Goverments position even more difficult , or even force a second vote .

    Yep the Goverment is being attacked from within and outside the UK.

    So much for the care of normal folk and jobs as long was we get what we want chaos ,the very reason why May called the election, able to negotiate from a postion of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    I have to say I find the notion of us having to reveal everything is madness and the word negotiating is key perhaps Kier should chat with is main funding friends Unite as they know a lot about not revealing all your cards or have a running commentray , would be nice if Labour would support as all they are doing is delaying our agreement and probaly seeing industry and jobs going in this period of hesitancy.

    I also think Europe spin doctors are using Labour to make the Goverments position even more difficult , or even force a second vote .

    Yep the Goverment is being attacked from within and outside the UK.

    So much for the care of normal folk and jobs as long was we get what we want chaos ,the very reason why May called the election, able to negotiate from a postion of power.
    I believe our sovereign parliament determined that the impact assessments should be shared with the Brexit Select Committee members rather than be revealed worldwide. After some partial and redacted documents were shared after pressure Davis racked up today to confess that there was nothing else and nearly 18 months down the line we may be heading to a point many on the right have wanted all along (a hard Brexit based on WTO rules allowing a rush to a heavily deregulated economy) without any structured idea of what that might mean for the UK. It is worth remembering that the UK negotiating position and its red lines were determined by May and an advisor and seemingly not shared with anyone in her own party let alone consultation with the Opposition before she set it out at the 2016 Tory Party Conference (not our sovereign parliament). She decided to go to the country on this basis and reduced her majority as a result. If what we have now is strong and stable god help us!

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    ^^
    Good post Cyril.

    It is taking the absolute piss. Or possibly all going to plan. Some other plan.
    But probably just blatantly taking the piss.
    Or..

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    He said it with a straight face as well the exact opposite of Hilary Benn's face who was open mouthed with incredulity.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Smoke and mirrors dear boy - it is a game of poker - like any negotiation. Look at any old documentary where politicians took about what the actual plan was - compared to what they were saying in public - and you soon realise it's bluff.

    There was an interesting program omn channel 4 I think doen by the Open University where politicians live roleplay what they would do in the event of either decision - worth a watch :-





    Reform Session

    Norman Lamont chairing what to do in a crisis? That aside I think you are being overly generous in thinking that there is some masterplan mirror here behind the forest fire of incompetence smoke. The incoherence appears strategic and tactical because it is. To deliver a succeessful outcome you usually need a clear vision of the end-state and a sufficient unified force mobilised to be able to overcome opposition, obstacles and unexpected events to deliver it.

    Nobody seems to know or be able to articulate what it is! That is mainly because if it was defined there is not enough commitment in the current coalition to drive towards it. Look at the Irish issue. Put simply we have enough convergence with the current rules that removes the need for a hard border then we keep lots of EU regulations and the hard Brexiteers fall out of cabinet and those with no responsibility mutiny. If we seek some kind of fudge that kicks the can down the road (most likely) then the DUP won't sign up unless there is clarity that NI and the rest of the UK are the same or the Irish govt pulls its own plug. If we go hard Brexit and walk away then a goodly proportion of the Conservative party will fall away including possibly a third of the cabinet.

    Not necessarily making party political points, though the Tory party has crippled itself for the last 30 years over Europe. If Corbyn had to pick up this poisoned chalice it might not be any easier. It's just a shitfest that no one (winners and losers) had prepared for!

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    "To deliver a succeessful outcome you usually need a clear vision of the end-state and a sufficient unified force mobilised to be able to overcome opposition, obstacles and unexpected events to deliver it."

    Agreed - but you dont tell the other side what your objectives are though, or even what your economic financial analysis says (the SNP did the same during the independence debate - they had clear l;legal and economic advice which Salmond wouldn't divulge).

    If you watch those videos - it is very very interesting to see what changes as and when they change the landscape of the referendum result.
    I think the key point is that there is no agreed vision in government rather than there is one and it is being deliberately held back from the other side.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    Smoke and mirrors dear boy - it is a game of poker - like any negotiation. Look at any old documentary where politicians took about what the actual plan was - compared to what they were saying in public - and you soon realise it's bluff.

    There was an interesting program omn channel 4 I think doen by the Open University where politicians live roleplay what they would do in the event of either decision - worth a watch :-





    Reform Session

    Spot on Ninian back in the day as an union official we always signed and negoaited two deals , one for the members to cheer about and a more probatic one that worked seems the world of socialism and deals gets forgotten when the hate is intense, If any of them play poker let me known love making on revealing hands, lol.

    Isn't it strange how silent the immigration issue has become .

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by life on mars View Post
    Spot on Ninian back in the day as an union official we always signed and negoaited two deals , one for the members to cheer about and a more probatic one that worked seems the world of socialism and deals gets forgotten when the hate is intense, If any of them play poker let me known love making on revealing hands, lol.

    Isn't it strange how silent the immigration issue has become .
    Phew, everything is going to plan and we are all in safe hands.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    Phew, everything is going to plan and we are all in safe hands.
    I'm sure were not , however we need to strip away the political agenda and perhaps accept we are/were nieave in these matters across the political divide, those who voted out were equally nieave and Cameron should havd manned up and said no vote as the public hasn't or never will understand the complexities of this decesion , I would say the lot in charge are probaly the best we have in terms if experience of goverment and Europe in particularly Davies who all Labour voters need to hate , I'm no fan but feel meduimly safe in his hands, than that of the opposition.

    Not great ,shit decesion the no vote.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by ninianclark View Post
    "To deliver a succeessful outcome you usually need a clear vision of the end-state and a sufficient unified force mobilised to be able to overcome opposition, obstacles and unexpected events to deliver it."

    Agreed - but you dont tell the other side what your objectives are though, or even what your economic financial analysis says (the SNP did the same during the independence debate - they had clear l;legal and economic advice which Salmond wouldn't divulge).

    If you watch those videos - it is very very interesting to see what changes as and when they change the landscape of the referendum result.
    Clever stuff, pretending to act like clueless, fibbing amateurs, adrift on a sea of incompetence.
    Silly old Johnny Foreigner wont see through that, and wont expect our wizard wheeze of a plan when it hits 'em. Arf Arf!

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    The American economy is flying since they told the globalists where to go, maybe it's worth investigating their economic nationalism trade model?

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    The American economy is flying since they told the globalists where to go, maybe it's worth investigating their economic nationalism trade model?
    Wales Bales you know full well that Obama’s administration started the recovery of the American economy. Let’s not pretend they were in deep depression up until January of this year.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Amuses me how those backing the Government's position/non position accuse people of having political agendas or petty political point scoring then develop their argument by blaming the opposition .

    We are in a process which should be above party politics - it's too important to get bogged down in such things.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by the other bob wilson View Post
    Amuses me how those backing the Government's position/non position accuse people of having political agendas or petty political point scoring then develop their argument by blaming the opposition .

    We are in a process which should be above party politics - it's too important to get bogged down in such things.
    Quite. It's a government feck up. The opposite are shite but it's owned by the government. You can swap Tory and Labour round and I'd say exactly the same.

    I don't trust the cabinet to do a decent job. It's not to say I'd prefer Corbyn and others, but simply that. These guys are making a pig's ear of it.

    There's a very powerful argument that something like this should be cross-party.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Wales Bales you know full well that Obama’s administration started the recovery of the American economy. Let’s not pretend they were in deep depression up until January of this year.
    Don't forget trump has stopped all the mass shootings in America too.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Chris Grayling this morning ...
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/3AnwDSuMs7A
    How does this man find work??? I mean this is supposed to be someone in authority and with knowledge???

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Chris Grayling this morning ...
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/3AnwDSuMs7A
    How does this man find work??? I mean this is supposed to be someone in authority and with knowledge???
    Usually Michael Fallon would be rolled out to talk the party line in interviews at times like these. Grayling said he was going to sort out Southern Rail as his first priority when re elected. That hasn't gone so well either.
    Last edited by joecity; 07-12-17 at 11:07. Reason: I phone trouble

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    The American economy is flying since they told the globalists where to go, maybe it's worth investigating their economic nationalism trade model?
    You are not far from understanding the ambition of the hard Brexiteers. The key changes under Trump have been deregulatory particularly around environmental restrictions and fiscal policy. Banking reforms aimed at stopping a repeat of the financial crash have been eased or removed and taxes for corporations and the wealthy are in the process of being slashed.

    Johnson/Fox/Rees-Mogg/Jenkin/IDS/Redwood//Gove (though he has gone a bit native since taking over Defra) all see the great prize of Brexit as having the freedom to slash regulation and create a Singapore on Thames. Agreements with the EU that require regulatory alignment or equivalence are abhorrent to them as is any idea that there would be some European Court being an arbiter of disputes.

    The Brexit vote winning elements that brought a swathe of working-class votes on board (immigration, NHS) figure far lower in their priorities and in the case of the NHS would be a deregulatory target further down the line. If you look at the political history of the people mentioned there is nothing in their philosophy that suggests any great care for the less affluent in society so this element of the Brexit campaign was always a cynical trojan horse.

    The dangerous bit is when those people, many of whom were expressing a democratic opinion for the first time, find out that they have been duped and that the brave new world is not being created for their benefit.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Wales Bales you know full well that Obama’s administration started the recovery of the American economy. Let’s not pretend they were in deep depression up until January of this year.
    Obama was shipping out American jobs, not bringing them back, and he was also doing based trade deal and handing out IP rights like candy. In short, Obama was a globalist/socialist who was trying to destroy the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays View Post
    You are not far from understanding the ambition of the hard Brexiteers. The key changes under Trump have been deregulatory particularly around environmental restrictions and fiscal policy. Banking reforms aimed at stopping a repeat of the financial crash have been eased or removed and taxes for corporations and the wealthy are in the process of being slashed.

    Johnson/Fox/Rees-Mogg/Jenkin/IDS/Redwood//Gove (though he has gone a bit native since taking over Defra) all see the great prize of Brexit as having the freedom to slash regulation and create a Singapore on Thames. Agreements with the EU that require regulatory alignment or equivalence are abhorrent to them as is any idea that there would be some European Court being an arbiter of disputes.

    The Brexit vote winning elements that brought a swathe of working-class votes on board (immigration, NHS) figure far lower in their priorities and in the case of the NHS would be a deregulatory target further down the line. If you look at the political history of the people mentioned there is nothing in their philosophy that suggests any great care for the less affluent in society so this element of the Brexit campaign was always a cynical trojan horse.

    The dangerous bit is when those people, many of whom were expressing a democratic opinion for the first time, find out that they have been duped and that the brave new world is not being created for their benefit.
    Luckily if parliament is back under the control of Britain we can vote the Tories out, but being under the control of Brussells we have no choice in a lot of things.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    Obama was shipping out American jobs, not bringing them back, and he was also doing based trade deal and handing out IP rights like candy. In short, Obama was a globalist/socialist who was trying to destroy the USA.
    Keep on reading Breitbart and believing it WB😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2 View Post
    Keep on reading Breitbart and believing it WB����������������
    You only need to connect Soros to Obama and there you have your smoking gun Let's see what comes out in the wash.

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    Re: David Davies tells the Brexit Select Committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Wales-Bales View Post
    You only need to connect Soros to Obama and there you have your smoking gun Let's see what comes out in the wash.
    Whatever.......

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